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GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 3 Board 1 - Meyer, Francis 7d vs Kim, Myung Wan 9p]PW[Meyer, Francis]PB[Kim, Myung Wan]WR[7d]BR[9p]DT[2010-08-03]EV[2010 US Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
USGO1 [-\]: This is round 3, board 1.  I'm Solomon Smilack, your game recorder today.
huli [1k\]: thank you
evanj [2d\]: is everyone playing with the correct stones today?
USGO1 [-\]: ^_^;;
USGO1 [-\]: Yes!
evanj [2d\]: who is Francis Meyer???!
USGO1 [-\]: I'M GLAD YOU ASKED!
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]C[yosogo [1d\]: is there  pro comment ?
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;W[pp]C[evanj [2d\]: you are?
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;B[dc]C[hatego [3k\]: Did Myung wan win last night?
evanj [2d\]: but you are not going to answer? :D
USGO1 [-\]: Francis Meyer is a US born player. He was born in North Carolina and raised in Osaka, Japan.
USGO1 [-\]: He was an insei at the Kansai Kiin, mentored by Maeda Ryo 6p.
Onmyoji [-\]: i count b+40.5
VISA [4d\]: wow.
VISA [4d\]: never heard of him.
USGO1 [-\]: He's 19 years old, and 2-0 so far in this US Open.
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
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;W[pd]C[dter12: who is b? ^^
evanj [2d\]: brand new to AGA i guess?
VISA [4d\]: probably
USGO1 [-\]:  Yesterday Francis defeated Shiyao Qiao, a Chinese 1p from Shanghai.
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;B[nc]C[Illyria [2k?\]: you're awesome, onmyoji
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;W[qf]C[SpaceCow [2k\]: w + 0.5
evanj [2d\]: wow - the next michael redmond?
VISA [4d\]: hmmmm i guess he's pretty beast
ZeroKun [-\]: kids these days
Onmyoji [-\]: why was i kicked
evanj [2d\]: and i'm just double-checking - you'll understand - Kim is b? :D
Onmyoji [-\]: plz
Totti10 [4k\]: love watching high level go in chem class
XY0908 [-\]: Good morning Solomon.
USGO1 [-\]: Black is Myungwan Kim, who is originally from Korea and living in the L.A. area.
SaurusDNA [6k\]: I think it's nigiri in tournaments?
evanj [2d\]: is the video up this morning?
baltimore [?\]: no
VISA [4d\]: no b/w are decided by computer
XY0908 [-\]: Just want to make sure that Mr. Kim is really playing black ;-)
USGO1 [-\]: Francis has moved to the US as well now, to attend university. To Colorado, in fact. 
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;B[ci]
;W[hd]C[ickypoo [2k\]: video feed?
USGO1 [-\]: No video feed today.
ickypoo [2k\]: shucks
zakatan [6k\]: 9p al canto
evanj [2d\]: interesting move
Elmarias [-\]: hmm, B is going for low chinese...
SUIRAD [2d\]: random move
USGO1 [-\]: And good morning to you XY
evanj [2d\]: not a random move
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;B[kd]C[Moppel: all thoughts are based on randomness
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;W[ee]C[XY0908 [-\]: let's guess next moves.
SUIRAD [2d\]: an other random move X)
Onmyoji [-\]: lol wat moves
Onmyoji [-\]: japanese insei cant beat korean pro
XY0908 [-\]: ?
XY0908 [-\]: Was that a statement?
evanj [2d\]: we will find out
Onmyoji [-\]: yes
Koukkaaja [3d\]: i don't think there is such a rule
SUIRAD [2d\]: what is meyer francis account on kgs ?
XY0908 [-\]: I agree with Kou.
evanj [2d\]: wonder if this is the strongest player Kim has faced yet
evanj [2d\]: his account is "evanj"
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
SUIRAD [2d\]: lol
mmmd [2k?\]: the moves might not be random but the comments sure are ...
MXHero [3d\]: b wins
Piggen94 [5k\]: is b 9p? :O
SUIRAD [2d\]: c'mon he does not have any account here ?
hotgo [6k\]: no chance
Onmyoji [-\]: yes
pooyou [4k\]: KGS is not THE go server...
XY0908 [-\]: Is D15 here OK?
Piggen94 [5k\]: does not b need handi?
evanj [2d\]: d15 seems to help w make shape
MXHero [3d\]: i think c15 is better than d15
hotgo [6k\]: how many times?
poozer [6k\]: then what is THE go server?
zhou901108 [1d\]: f17 
SUIRAD [2d\]: oro
dter12: f15
Piggen94 [5k\]: c15 e17 ?
hotgo [6k\]: f16
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;B[fc]C[hotgo [6k\]: f16 is the weak point of the big jump
SUIRAD [2d\]: w's shape already horrible
evanj [2d\]: this is the best shape move
hotgo [6k\]: now f16 is avaliable
pooyou [4k\]: igs
USGO1 [-\]: I think piggen pointed out why not c15 - I'm giving kyus credit for a good read there.
hotgo [6k\]: w must defense
SUIRAD [2d\]: b aheady by 23.5 points
realDeal [5k\]: 74.5!
hotgo [6k\]: e15 is the ideal attacking point for c15
F525 [15k\]: Wow, W sure is in a bind.
NorthWind [5k\]: *looks for half-point*
Moppel: w is testing b
hotgo [6k\]: w asll floating now
F525 [15k\]: 74.5 points already? He should just resign already.
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Onmyoji [-\]: well
Onmyoji [-\]: w has no chance
Porkypine [5k\]: Hmm 8dan?
Elmarias [-\]: i like chinese opening. very versatile
XY0908 [-\]: Next W?
Porkypine [5k\]: I thought 7 was the highest amateur rank
adiida [3k\]: c15
hotgo [6k\]: why i cant review the game?
USGO1 [-\]: It is.
Piggen94 [5k\]: it seems like 8d = 8p:s
covtxrider [15k\]: f3
dter12: 8d kgs?
zhou901108 [1d\]: next move hardto say
Moppel: g15
mmmd [2k?\]: aga 8d ?
MXHero [3d\]: i like g15
Ludmila [5k\]: wiew offline
SUIRAD [2d\]: u should not play random moves like E15 or H16 when u face a 9p 
XY0908 [-\]: Do you all know that the so-called Chinese Opening was not invented by Chinese pros, right?
realDeal [5k\]: you want to review game for 9 dan pro?!
Moppel: dont repeat after me
Feelss [9k\]: someone dont like more black?
USGO1 [-\]: AGA 7d... not sure why his name tag says 8d.
Yanwangye [-\]: kin win yesterday?
indianayk [4d\]: Although I think Kim is favored, the difference should be very small. it's interesting game no matter what
USGO1 [-\]: Both players are 2-0 at this point.
zhou901108 [1d\]: i would random attach some stone
mafutrct [5d?\]: k16 probably no good
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;W[cd]C[evanj [2d\]: i have literally no idea what to do now if i am w
Moppel: i won
SUIRAD [2d\]: w's shape absolutely lovely !
MXHero [3d\]: i hate this move, honestly
barakeel [3d\]: coolest move ever
VISA [4d\]: c17 obviously
zhou901108 [1d\]: yeah
USGO1 [-\]: How can black abuse it MXH?
VISA [4d\]: must take 3-3
zhou901108 [1d\]: c17
evanj [2d\]: isn't c17 a bit submissive given w's thinness?
from2ch [4k\]: new chinese huseki?
VISA [4d\]: then f15 later
MXHero [3d\]: b can just c17, and then it looks like w is too thin
VISA [4d\]: c17 = good point for both people
yamashitaK [5d\]: if c17 w is happy
zhou901108 [1d\]: once w takesc17 h16 becomes light
yamashitaK [5d\]: he plays then g15 i think 
Piggen94 [5k\]: c17 c13 h17 ?
batubiru [3k\]: c17 lighter
Elmarias [-\]: c14?
barakeel [3d\]: c16 is a wth move
MXHero [3d\]: i guess i don't understand the rush to take this point
evanj [2d\]: for me b doesn't play f17 only to submit with c17
Moppel: f15
MXHero [3d\]: if w plays g15, b won't play c15 anyway
adiida [3k\]: i would have c15 ... but he is the 8d here , so ...
Ludmila [5k\]: o4
Moppel: my books says f15 is the only move
MXHero [3d\]: or at least, i wouldn't, but yeah i'm not 8d
yamashitaK [5d\]: maybe b will cut
dsaun [1k\]: to traverse the game, click options  / view offline
zhou901108 [1d\]: what's the level of 8d? professinal or like kgs 8d?
XY0908 [-\]: I would play at F15, just for hell of it.
USGO1 [-\]: I believe he is kgs 8d, I'm trying to remember his acct name here...
Moppel: just ask him
SUIRAD [2d\]: 4 hours game   so long... >.>
tuerda [1d\]: so then probably he is 6d
adiida [3k\]: maybe he won some tournament and he got the onorific 8d amateur title?
USGO1 [-\]: He seems to be concentrating.
NorthWind [5k\]: he's busy
from2ch [4k\]: b thinking?
Moppel: hes not on the move
Elmarias [-\]: nah. longest game i ever played was 8 hours.
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
gluiwiya [4k\]: g16
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;B[dd]C[SUIRAD [2d\]: i can even go party and come back   the game won't be over
ogokon [?\]: Are the colors right this time, USGO? ^^
from2ch [4k\]: oh,,
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
dter12: ???
Iciac [5k\]: timesuji!
SciSan [5k?\]: wut
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;W[de]
;B[ce]C[Onmyoji [-\]: my longest game is maybe 1.5 hours
USGO1 [-\]: I'll never hear the end of the color thing now  x.X
zhou901108 [1d\]: cut... should be what w wanted
Piggen94 [5k\]: my longest game in kgs is 2 hours
SUIRAD [2d\]: 2h  wow
zhou901108 [1d\]: c14 then c12 for w
hotgo [6k\]: why i cant review the game?
Moppel: i dont need 2h fo rmy mistakes
barakeel [3d\]: how can you spend 2 hour thinking
Elmarias [-\]: all my standard teaching games are 2hours
Piggen94 [5k\]: haha moppel
mmmd [2k?\]: 2 hours is nice
batubiru [3k\]: mine is 1 month at dragon go server
dsaun [1k\]: hotgo, this game is being relayed by a scribe, it's in "demo" format
dsaun [1k\]: to review it, click "options" / "view offline"
Larrave [1d\]: @barakeel: too bad a 3d has to say something like this:)
Piggen94 [5k\]: normaly it takes 30m
USGO1 [-\]: But it wouldn't be bad to ask yourself what you thought of their openings so far if it was revealed that the colors were switched. What would you say if I suddenly said "Oh, Kim is playing White" ?  Would it affect your opinion?
Iciac [5k\]: options > clone game in
hotgo [6k\]: gecha
dsaun [1k\]: no need to clone, just to review
Onmyoji [-\]: kim is white?
Moppel: evn korean pro laegue plays with 5 min plus byo yomi
hotgo [6k\]: huge corner wow
SUIRAD [2d\]: people who play on dragon go serer  r really brave @_@
Ludmila [5k\]: oh ! barakel was censored
Piggen94 [5k\]: is kim white?
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;W[cf]C[Onmyoji [-\]: kim is white
USGO1 [-\]: No... but if he was... what would you think?
Piggen94 [5k\]: what?
Onmyoji [-\]: the colors are switched
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;B[be]C[evanj [2d\]: i wouldn't understand w's moves no matter who plays them :D
Elmarias [-\]: ick, i hate kibitz. too fast. no thinking.
hotgo [6k\]: by attacking w black can make many territories
USGO1 [-\]: xD
NorthWind [5k\]: I heard that rumour
Piggen94 [5k\]: i whould not be happy
MXHero [3d\]: it wouldn't affect my opinion
from2ch [4k\]: Meyer is b?
A1R [4k\]: xy0908...the japanese had invented the chinese opening
SUIRAD [2d\]: w's shape really horrible   even if i was Takemiya i would feel in toruble
Hellhuman [1d\]: i dont know how to think 2 hours for one game either ^.^v
batubiru [3k\]: i am sure Pro player will use many experimental move
hotgo [6k\]: c11 is bad
batubiru [3k\]: *not
from2ch [4k\]: then, c12?
barakeel [3d\]: now c12 is shape
Moppel: pros think prior to the games not during it
evanj [2d\]: stop causing trouble onmyoji
covtxrider [15k\]: f3
zhou901108 [1d\]: textbook move c12
evanj [2d\]: that's true
hotgo [6k\]: b14 is must w is doing other things
barakeel [3d\]: but i would d13
Neospring [3k\]: b 9p?
dter12: c12 now
SunnyD [3d\]: who is Meyer???!!
evanj [2d\]: yup
Iciac [5k\]: thinking during the game is for kyus.
MXHero [3d\]: nono, b14 is aji keshi
Piggen94 [5k\]: what? white 7d?
evanj [2d\]: meyer is the next great white hope
hotgo [6k\]: bet?
MXHero [3d\]: d13 is better than b14, but that is aji keshi too
SunnyD [3d\]: how old is this meryer?
mmmd [2k?\]: white just got weaker ;-)
Squiggles [1d\]: maybe just E11 or something ?
ericausa [3d\]: is there anyway can i replay the games?
batubiru [3k\]: L3 is ok
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;W[ch]C[SUIRAD [2d\]: F15
Squiggles [1d\]: view it offline or clone it
Moppel: wir heissen alle meier ...
ericausa [3d\]: review?
sheeryjay [2k\]: USGO1, the color thing is ok for you ... I once have mistaken the colors in broadcasts of 2 games in succession I think half chatter was filled with colour discussion :D
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;B[bd]C[Iciac [5k\]: d11
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;W[di]
;B[cj]C[evanj [2d\]: sunny: 19, apparently
evanj [2d\]: raised in japan
zhou901108 [1d\]: b playing exactly w hoped, a sign of 9p confidence
SunnyD [3d\]: thanks, evan!!!!!
Onmyoji [-\]: so many undo
Piggen94 [5k\]: what happend?
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;W[dj]
;B[ck]C[dter12: awesome
dter12: lol
evanj [2d\]: did i just go back in time
USGO1 [-\]: pressed the up key i think >.>
MXHero [3d\]: b plays a time travel tesuji and wins yesterday!
ericausa [3d\]: plz  tell me how Squiggles?
USGO1 [-\]: !
evanj [2d\]: sorry, usgo, did you say b is/was an insei?
Moppel: scribe looked under the stones
evanj [2d\]: w i mean
USGO1 [-\]: Yes.
Onmyoji [-\]: b is francis meyer
USGO1 [-\]: He was an insei at the Kansai Kiin, mentored by Maeda Ryo 6p.
evanj [2d\]: but he gave it all up to go to college - what a waste
Piggen94 [5k\]: how can a 7d play with a 9p without handi?
SUIRAD [2d\]: b is francis or kim ??
Iciac [5k\]: By tournament play, Piggen.
Larrave [1d\]: @evanj: good decision:)
SunnyD [3d\]: college is the biggest con of the modern time
mooooo [7k\]: no tv stream?
MXHero [3d\]: piggen, very carefully
Piggen94 [5k\]: ah
barakeel [3d\]: stop color confusion please
evanj [2d\]: B is Kim, W is Meyer
Onmyoji [-\]: plz bolbi why u hate me so much
dsaun [1k\]: to replay prior games, you can look at games tab of USGo1...2...3 etc.
mooooo [7k\]: is there a tv stream?
evanj [2d\]: sunny: this is his first AGA appearance apparently, he just moved to the states
Iciac [5k\]: g3 looks nice for some reason
gooooo [10k\]: evanj, black or white?
MXHero [3d\]: i feel like w needs to push again
evanj [2d\]: white
lemming [1k?\]: I feel like cookies
USGO1 [-\]: Yes it's his first AGA tournament. So far he is 2-0, though one should consider that Myungwan is 21-0 so far as well.
dedroid [1k\]: lol
SUIRAD [2d\]: lol
lemming [1k?\]: 21 - 0  is a lot
MXHero [3d\]: yeah myungwan is omnipotent
evanj [2d\]: against American amateurs, maybe :D
SunnyD [3d\]: Meyer should retire this morning and perserve his 100% winning record
USGO1 [-\]: After this game one will be 3-0 and one will be 2-1 in the US Open.
serenata [3d?\]: 1-2 against lee sedol actually
batubiru [3k\]: eric lui is pro killer
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;W[dk]C[Iciac [5k\]: Timetravel-suji is required.
SUIRAD [2d\]: haha
evanj [2d\]: eric lui is an evanj killer too :(
evanj [2d\]: or at least he was when he was like 12
SUIRAD [2d\]: evanj killer ?
Sven84 [3k\]: :D
evanj [2d\]: yeah, we used to play in the same tournaments
evanj [2d\]: i used to be stronger than him
SUIRAD [2d\]: oh really ?
zhou901108 [1d\]: what'shis level now?
evanj [2d\]: when he was about 8 or 9
evanj [2d\]: now he is one of the strongest amateur players in the US
SUIRAD [2d\]: then how it comes u didn't make muhc progress ? :O
evanj [2d\]: and I am not
mooooo [7k\]: then u failed your go carrier
Onmyoji [-\]: why are you not the strongest evanj
mooooo [7k\]: shame on u evanj
NorthWind [5k\]: bummer
evanj [2d\]: because i stopped playing in tournament conditions for awhile. i am about to start again, though. watch out.
SUIRAD [2d\]: evanj  u had the chance to start go so early   what a pity
sampo00 [5k\]: b will play c8 
USGO1 [-\]: What is black thinking here? Ideas?
ericausa [3d\]: is there anyone plays Go-game with I-pad?
Onmyoji [-\]: c8 
altrecop [1k\]: tengen
SUIRAD [2d\]: C8 for sure
mooooo [7k\]: i startet go with 19 :(
hotgo [6k\]: who got h14 who win
covtxrider [15k\]: c8, still short on liberties
tuerda [1d\]: c8 so obvious you kinda wonder why b is thinking so much
evanj [2d\]: i started when i was 13
TaksiMies [2k\]: Can someone give yrl to result pages
altrecop [1k\]: c7 ;?
TaksiMies [2k\]: url
covtxrider [15k\]: i started when i was 42
USGO1 [-\]: For the US Open results: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
Moppel: i will never start 
pg [18k?\]: started age 16
NorthWind [5k\]: maybe c7
MXHero [3d\]: oh maybe c7
tuerda [1d\]: I started next week
adiida [3k\]: i started when i was 22
evanj [2d\]: i turn 30 on thursday, and i am still AGA 3 dan
Feelss [9k\]: why not d8?
hotgo [6k\]: c8 is must
MXHero [3d\]: c7 d8 c6 then
DonValley [-\]: happy birthday
MEXMAT [2k\]: c7 leaves weakness
evanj [2d\]: why thank you
NorthWind [5k\]: c7 d8 d7
MXHero [3d\]: well c8 leaves a heavier weakness later, at c6
Larrave [1d\]: c7 c8
SUIRAD [2d\]: evanj u r so old !
sgjiehui [3d?\]: i started at 10
ickypoo [2k\]: evanj, hoppy b-day, my go brother
evanj [2d\]: i know, right
hotgo [6k\]: c6 is cool
zhou901108 [1d\]: i like w's shape, but still think b will win
evanj [2d\]: but i have now moved to an area with a strong go club / tournament presence, and I will start playing slow live games and improving again
evanj [2d\]: you heard it here first
Moppel: w plays old fashioned
hotgo [6k\]: if b plays h14 w got nothing
bolbi [-\]: could you focus on the game please ?
MXHero [3d\]: how is that, moppel?
Moppel: look slike
evanj [2d\]: nothing's happening in the game :D
hotgo [6k\]: no video?
bolbi [-\]: no
batubiru [3k\]: building moyo ..
USGO1 [-\]: (Myungwan is thinking)
Onmyoji [-\]: k10 
dsaun [1k\]: chinese opening didn't lead to center influence in this one
nasnad [2d\]: white has strength
USGO1 [-\]: Perhaps I will tell you what they are wearing.
DonValley [-\]: haha
ithuriel [2d\]: O.O
evanj [2d\]: more importantly, USGO1, what are _you_ wearing
pg [18k?\]: that's a little creeper-ish
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
sampo00 [5k\]: Kim has soon readed all variations of the game
ithuriel [2d\]: lol
evanj [2d\]: are you the one with the tattoo, usgo1?
hotgo [6k\]: c6 not good c8
SUIRAD [2d\]: omg   25 min thinking to play C8  
USGO1 [-\]: Kim is in khaki pants with a blue polo shirt. Which is scary because I'm in khaki pants with a blue t-shirt. We are twins except that I am too strong to play in the US Open.
nasnad [2d\]: maybe jump to c7?
dsaun [1k\]: who is the chatty scribe?
DonValley [-\]: haha
dedroid [1k\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: hehe
sgjiehui [3d?\]: lol
ithuriel [2d\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: Meyer is in blue jeans and a blue/white pinstripe buttondown
hotgo [6k\]: c7 e3 also good
SaurusDNA [6k\]: Are players & spectators allowed to talk in Go tournaments, or must it be silent like chess?
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;B[dl]C[SUIRAD [2d\]: cut !!!!!!!!!!!
SUIRAD [2d\]: X)
hotgo [6k\]: so gehts auch
sampo00 [5k\]: USGO1 troll
evanj [2d\]: i'm sure b didn't anticipate the cut
hotgo [6k\]: no cut
USGO1 [-\]: It's pretty quiet in here. Just the beeping of clocks and the whispering of tournament directors.
sheeryjay [2k\]: Saurus, of course they must be silent
Moppel: isnt it too hot for buttondown ?
sampo00 [5k\]: d6 
USGO1 [-\]: Air Conditioning x.X
hotgo [6k\]: why no video?
Iciac [5k\]: Could you click extra loudly, USGO? =)
sgjiehui [3d?\]: sacrifice?
zhou901108 [1d\]: d8 strong
MXHero [3d\]: this sacrifice looks so bad!
nasnad [2d\]: cut and hope for the best!
Onmyoji [-\]: cut plz
Onmyoji [-\]: i want to see
SUIRAD [2d\]: no b wants to prevent a big w center
hotgo [6k\]: nothing to sacrifice
NMavreas [11k\]: peaceful
SunnyD [3d\]: K3!!!!
sgjiehui [3d?\]: @hotgo there is
hotgo [6k\]: b12 is forehand
nasnad [2d\]: if w cant cut b looks better already
NMavreas [11k\]: F8?
sgjiehui [3d?\]: so?
gacua [1d\]: I like B
SUIRAD [2d\]: K3  complelety off topic
SUIRAD [2d\]: :p
SunnyD [3d\]: NMavreas, it's too early to start your comedy routine
MEXMAT [2k\]: f8 gives much territory i think
USGO1 [-\]: Aaron Ye has taken an interest in the game and is standing boardside. He's a 2d and looks about 8 years old. Awesome!
MEXMAT [2k\]: so cut)
hotgo [6k\]: b12 is forhand where is sacrifice?
SUIRAD [2d\]: cut cut cut
NorthWind [5k\]: B must have spent the time reading the cut
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;W[cl]C[SUIRAD [2d\]: yea !!!
nasnad [2d\]: yes!
Onmyoji [-\]: good
TonyTiger [4d\]: oh yeaH!
USGO1 [-\]: !
SunnyD [3d\]: who are you usgo
zhou901108 [1d\]: b8 seems only move
altrecop [1k\]: b is 9p. you all are kyus.
MXHero [3d\]: now b needs b8 and then we have some kind of mess, i'm assuming
hotgo [6k\]: c7
kenshinlt [6k\]: no live?
Larrave [1d\]: b must have seen this is the fastest way to loose
Larrave [1d\]: ^^
hotgo [6k\]: c7 b8
hotgo [6k\]: b12
Sven84 [3k\]: this is sparta! now i'm starting to sweat
ithuriel [2d\]: lol
zhou901108 [1d\]: too hard to read after  b8 
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: CUT!  interesting now
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;B[bh]C[kenshinlt [6k\]: no live video for these games ? 
errr: where can i see the live broadcast?
DonValley [-\]: on kgs
SUIRAD [2d\]: actually kim felt too bored leading the game by too much  that explains D8 move
gacua [1d\]: lol
evanj [2d\]: in colorado springs
zhou901108 [1d\]: oh this move also works
hotgo [6k\]: i sadi whole time b12 is forhand
hotgo [6k\]: nothing to sacrifice
freddygo [3k\]: se says white is ahead
SUIRAD [2d\]: i don't recall u writing it
zhou901108 [1d\]: u must be strong 6k
hotgo [6k\]: thx
altrecop [1k\]: where are you all who said c8 was obvious :D
NMavreas [11k\]: now begins the excitement :p
MXHero [3d\]: c8 is obvious, the result is not
Moppel: forehand for what ?
ericausa [3d\]: is KIm a top class pro- player?
Feminist [8k\]: wow nice move :P
NorthWind [5k\]: all kyu brothers are strong :)
SUIRAD [2d\]: kim is top 100 korean pro player
NMavreas [11k\]: where's the backhand?
zhou901108 [1d\]: i thin he won  a title before
MXHero [3d\]: don't you have to win titles to increase your pro rank?
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: i guess by ' forehand' he means sente ?
Iciac [5k\]: Go/tennis crossover.
TonyTiger [4d\]: what is their time settings? they are playing awfully slow....
MXHero [3d\]: or is it just how long you've been around?
zhou901108 [1d\]: no, u only need to win alot of games
MXHero [3d\]: ah ok gotcha
hotgo [6k\]: sorry for my german english
sgjiehui [3d?\]: lol
quyx [8k\]: about how many pro players are there in Korea?
Onmyoji [-\]: maybe 5
Iciac [5k\]: b13 d12 c13 b8 
mooooo [7k\]: kim never lost a game in us i think
SUIRAD [2d\]: the number and the importance of the games u win  i guess
USGO1 [-\]: Francis took a break after c8 and is out of the room, though of course his clock is still ticking now.
zhou901108 [1d\]: understandable seeing his rank
mooooo [7k\]: dont u have a camera usgo?
SUIRAD [2d\]: lee sedol is n°1 and lee chang ho n°2
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan check's Francis' time and is still focusing on the board.
Iciac [5k\]: It's nearly 2am, and I can't look away -.-'
serenata [3d?\]: which state is francis living in now?
MXHero [3d\]: w cannot allow b to get e8 in sente
hotgo [6k\]: b has always the oppotunity to connect to home
hotgo [6k\]: c8 is dead
sampo00 [5k\]: francis went to locker room to cry
hotgo [6k\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: no, c8 won't die but this might be a crazy exchange
NMavreas [11k\]: the plot thickens
SaurusDNA [6k\]: w-b11?
hotgo [6k\]: no exchange
ericausa [3d\]:  is Francis a pro-player also?
hotgo [6k\]: b13 is connect home
SUIRAD [2d\]: francis is an amateur
MXHero [3d\]: my guess is c7 but i have no confidence in that guess
USGO1 [-\]: Francis has moved to Colorado just recently, to attend university this fall.
ericausa [3d\]: i see SUIRAD
SUIRAD [2d\]: lol
dsaun [1k\]: quyx, as of 10 years ago, there were 21 Korean 9p's
hotgo [6k\]: b13
NMavreas [11k\]: B13?
quyx [8k\]: tnx
NMavreas [11k\]: ah crosscut?
NMavreas [11k\]: three white stones threatened?
hotgo [6k\]: b13 c7 c8
quyx [8k\]: so there is hundreds, maybe over a thousands pro's in total?
MXHero [3d\]: the problem is that b12 as a stone is totally light
ericausa [3d\]: i just come back home from C.Springs for a vacation
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: I think Framcis has a wonderful upbringing so far....Japan n USA.
quyx [8k\]: *_S
dsaun [1k\]: i didn't ask, so i can't answer :)
MXHero [3d\]: if w plays b13 then d12 c13 b8 c7 e8 is an issue
SUIRAD [2d\]: believing ur profil ericausa  french players seems to be the dirtiest players in the world X)
hotgo [6k\]: long thinking not good for francis
USGO1 [-\]: Francis is back now but is stilil reading the situation.
ericausa [3d\]: so far,
Aokame [2k\]: wow, never heard of such strong player meyer francis, is he well known in usa?
USGO1 [-\]: He's re-affirmed the stones on the board several times now and is sitting on his hands.
hotgo [6k\]: b11?
SUIRAD [2d\]: how old is Francis ?
tuerda [1d\]: 6
HammerTime [3k\]: over 9000!!!
USGO1 [-\]: There is a bio of Francis in the first few moves: Options -> view offline 
hotgo [6k\]: no video :(
TonyTiger [4d\]: so young. awww
Iciac [5k\]: Throw a tantrum and kill everything ;)
quyx [8k\]: pro's, Hammertime?
sloppyplay [?\]: francis is 6 ?
USGO1 [-\]: 19
SUIRAD [2d\]: i c
hotgo [6k\]: b want w make d7 so that he can damage w influrence
sloppyplay [?\]: oh i see
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan is 31~ (32?)
serenata [3d?\]: i wonder if you can subtly acquire francis's kgs nick after the game usgo..?
SUIRAD [2d\]: how long does he play go ?
Aokame [2k\]: wow, thx usgo for the infos. pupil of maeda ryo, hes teaching on kgs+ too. so great info
indianayk [4d\]: Unless w wants to sacrifice c8 for the greater outside influence, it's very difficult for w to decide to movewhich direction in next move
hotgo [6k\]: b13
USGO1 [-\]: I'll be sure to ask him his KGS name.
serenata [3d?\]: and tygem name also:)
Aokame [2k\]: i love background infos a lot
MXHero [3d\]: b12 is so annoying for w
sloppyplay [?\]: he is around diner's age i guess.
ericausa [3d\]: how come, the game is stopped according to, game time?
USGO1 [-\]: Francis has touched the c10 stones into place again and has his hand on his chin.
emerus [5k\]: is a pro talking about this game too?
USGO1 [-\]: And again.
hotgo [6k\]: is francis too old for pro?
NorthWind [5k\]: just c13 and let him connect if he wants
SUIRAD [2d\]: USGO1 what's ur rank ?
Aokame [2k\]: ugo getting enrvous^^
USGO1 [-\]: Man it is as if the stones are like little turtles trying to get away. X.X
Aokame [2k\]: usgo*
ben0 [5d\]: you're not on twitter USGO1
hotgo [6k\]: b13 is no connection
MXHero [3d\]: northwind, c13 results in b c7 capturing
NMavreas [11k\]: why is francis white and not black?
MXHero [3d\]: which is a disaster imho
hotgo [6k\]: b13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USGO1 [-\]: The pairing system has constraints to ensure that players don't get the same color too often.
SUIRAD [2d\]: b13 6k instint
hotgo [6k\]: yup if c8 dead the game over
dsaun [1k\]: NMavreas, in tournaments , for pairing, often everyone is considered "equal"
USGO1 [-\]: Because it is the Open section there is no handicap.
Iciac [5k\]: b13 5k instinct.
Iciac [5k\]: Go!
NMavreas [11k\]: ah ok thanks
NMavreas [11k\]: is that a verb?
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;W[bk]C[NMavreas [11k\]: heh 5k instinck
Iciac [5k\]: *cries* D=
hotgo [6k\]: i told u too long thingking not good
NMavreas [11k\]: my 11k instinct doesnt tell me anything unfortunately :p
SUIRAD [2d\]: hehe
hotgo [6k\]: no b8
]
;B[cg]C[fye [3d\]: b9 never even crossed my mind
hotgo [6k\]: wo
SunnyD [3d\]: usgo, time??
]
;W[dh]C[hotgo [6k\]: penalty time
]
;B[bi]C[tuerda [1d\]: hammertime
NMavreas [11k\]: hahaha
SunnyD [3d\]: ladder!!!!
ickypoo [2k\]: USGO1, times left please
USGO1 [-\]: lots - over 90min each
SUIRAD [2d\]: oh my god @_@
ickypoo [2k\]: thank you
XY0908 [-\]: Hard to play for W
NorthWind [5k\]: haha, yeah, order a take-away
DiGigot [6k\]: fast, but not blitz
SUIRAD [2d\]: sure it is
baian [1d\]: my spidey sense is tingling
hotgo [6k\]: how many times left? must soon go bed
Iciac [5k\]: I need to see the next move before I sleep :'(
USGO1 [-\]: It's uncommon that anyone in the strong player room goes into byo-yomi before lunch.
SUIRAD [2d\]: all this because of H10-E15  combo
hotgo [6k\]: bs intention is e8
XY0908 [-\]: with or without fries?
MXHero [3d\]: well that's all thanks to l16, which is due to q16
USGO1 [-\]: W's next play?
ickypoo [2k\]: fries are essential
ugotme: fries and ketchup
hotgo [6k\]: u mean hips?
MXHero [3d\]: i still like c7, again with no confidence
Iciac [5k\]: I don't mind b7.
T10 [?\]: live stream?
hotgo [6k\]: chips?
SpaceCow [2k\]: fries and mayonaise:P
emerus [5k\]: c7
ugotme: mayo is for fhlems
SpaceCow [2k\]: hahah
SunnyD [3d\]: fries and juice
ickypoo [2k\]: mayonaise for pansies
hotgo [6k\]: c7 e8 bad for w
Moppel: mayonaise not with freedom fries
blackmoa [3k\]: go myungwan !!!!!!!!
baian [1d\]: fries w salt and vinegar
hotgo [6k\]: he must get left group living and b damage his influcrence
SUIRAD [2d\]: C6 is the next move
sanjikun [2k\]: c4
MohamedBM [6k?\]: somewhere around F3
hotgo [6k\]: no matter what w plays b e8
nasnad [2d\]: hehe
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan makes a huge stretch and reveals his bellybutton.
USGO1 [-\]: !
SUIRAD [2d\]: haha
DanielFox [1k?\]: inner or outie
MXHero [3d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: I'll never tell.
Iciac [5k\]: b12 connects unconditionally?
DanielFox [1k?\]: drat
XY0908 [-\]: If I were W, I would resign.
ickypoo [2k\]: you are discreet
DanielFox [1k?\]: how can i update sensei's library if you won't tell
USGO1 [-\]: Francis is leaning over the board now...
hotgo [6k\]: too early to resign
ugotme: w ok
evanj [2d\]: it's never too early to resign
SUIRAD [2d\]: just C6  easy
ickypoo [2k\]: francis going give kim big hug
USGO1 [-\]: He seems to be reading out sequences in the bottom left
DanielFox [1k?\]: as long as you resign in sente
T10 [?\]: why no live stream today?
hotgo [6k\]: c7 sente
Iciac [5k\]: Resign double sente if nuclear tesuji.
USGO1 [-\]: Francis now looking over the whole board and shaking his head.
NMavreas [11k\]: if he was 6, it would be age-appropriate to slam the table and scatter the stones
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;W[dm]C[SUIRAD [2d\]: thinking about C6 consequences
MXHero [3d\]: or w can d7, since w is still thick on the top
NMavreas [11k\]: but for some brain chemistry, he is not
emerus [5k\]: W is thick?
NoBenjamin [5k\]: b8
emerus [5k\]: or eavy?
]
;B[el]C[ugotme: like hikaru?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: it's appropriate for 7d also
MXHero [3d\]: every big group is heavy
hotgo [6k\]: c7
emerus [5k\]: no
emerus [5k\]: some big groups have eyespace
Iciac [5k\]: fight!
MXHero [3d\]: heavy just means hard to sacrifice
emerus [5k\]: no
Iciac [5k\]: c7 e7 e6 
MXHero [3d\]: eyeless means no eyespace :)
evanj [2d\]: but you can't sacrifice a living group, so it's not heavy
ugotme: heavy means lacking eyespace
blackmoa [3k\]: i've played myungwan once, he is a nice guy as far as i can tell, hope he wins ^^
tuerda [1d\]: heavy is a combination of hard to sacrifice and weak
emerus [5k\]: heavy means
SUIRAD [2d\]: E7 now
Moppel: e7
emerus [5k\]: "weighing you down"
TriLux [-\]: e7 
ugotme: heavy means ur mom
emerus [5k\]: if it's a big group with eyespace
MXHero [3d\]: ok fair enough, a living group can't be heavy
emerus [5k\]: it's not weighing you down =\\ though it is hard to sacrifice of course....
hotgo [6k\]: e7 interessting
Iciac [5k\]: c7 e7 e6 d13 
tuerda [1d\]: if you are strong, you are not heavy
Borisovich [2d\]: i bet that game will be not longer than 150 moves
Borisovich [2d\]: white does not get any profit
ugotme: it's just bone density
nasnad [2d\]: heavy is a burden
MXHero [3d\]: heavy is not always a negative term
evanj [2d\]: it isn't?
emerus [5k\]: hm?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: yes, like with girl friends
MXHero [3d\]: whenever you cut groups apart, those cutting stones are extremely heavy
twold [1k\]: uh?
ugotme: aye, heavy rain can be refresinh
MXHero [3d\]: but that's a choice you make, and it can be a good one
emerus [5k\]: i think it's opinion
twold [1k\]: heavy rain beats you to death
emerus [5k\]: id say that they aren't heavy because they are cutting stones
SUIRAD [2d\]: i agree with mxhero
emerus [5k\]: they are easy to deal with because they are cutting weak groups
MXHero [3d\]: just like light isn't always good
blackmoa [3k\]: heavy is always negative
hotgo [6k\]: now w has two problems, make left alive and make middle territory, he can only archive one
blackmoa [3k\]: even if cutting stones are heavy
twold [1k\]: light is always good and heavy is always bad. it just may not be best strategy to choose
blackmoa [3k\]: you would prefer them to not be heavy xD
ugotme: i wonder how it came about, that in the english language, light means whitish colour and opposite of heavy
Moppel: i dont like d7 atari
NorthWind [5k\]: light helps you see better
MXHero [3d\]: nahh, if light and heavy were always good and bad, they'd be easier to define than this
hotgo [6k\]: yup d7 is overplay
ugotme: at the same time
SUIRAD [2d\]: E7 c'mon
MXHero [3d\]: thick and thin are always good and bad, and they have easier definitions thanks to that
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;W[em]C[hotgo [6k\]: e7???????????????????
SUIRAD [2d\]: omd i'm too strong 
evanj [2d\]: except that something can be too thick
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;B[fl]C[hotgo [6k\]: ru serious?
evanj [2d\]: e7 only choice
sampo00 [5k\]: whoa fransais has came back
]
;W[cm]C[sampo00 [5k\]: are hiseyes red?
SUIRAD [2d\]: hotgo  u will understand in 10 years
blackmoa [3k\]: c'mon myungwan, crush him xD
MXHero [3d\]: i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is playable for w
nasnad [2d\]: b e7 would be too severe hotgo
evanj [2d\]: are you suggesting that he is possessed or that he is drunk?
evanj [2d\]: and am I the only one rooting for w?
MXHero [3d\]: evanj, i also have faith!
jtscarry [13k\]: i'm rooting for w :)
hotgo [6k\]: now w lives
Moppel: w has spoiled his own moyo
ickypoo [2k\]: i with white
evanj [2d\]: i have nothing against kim but I would like to see him lose
covtxrider [15k\]: which white?
nasnad [2d\]: w never had a moyo, he had some influence
hotgo [6k\]: silk white
SUIRAD [2d\]: where is w territory ?!!!
evanj [2d\]: the white guy with the white stones
freddygo [3k\]: does black need to d14 or b14 now?
ugotme: who wants to bet that the nest US chamption will be an asian?
evanj [2d\]: the US champion is always an asian
NorthWind [5k\]: ah, gotta love a partisan crowd
ugotme: *next
covtxrider [15k\]: white guy has black stones
MXHero [3d\]: it's impossible to make this into a moyo; l16 is too high
evanj [2d\]: um, no, covtxrider
evanj [2d\]: look again
Moppel: yes rather influence 
NoBenjamin [5k\]: d13
Moppel: anyway its spoiled now
hotgo [6k\]: dragon hunting now
USGO1 [-\]: Does black still need to fix the top left?
shouldBdan [7k\]: where is video feed?
MXHero [3d\]: f7 seems natural
evanj [2d\]: we hid it
hotgo [6k\]: no usgo1
SUIRAD [2d\]: no left already fixed for B
emerus [5k\]: f7 seems vital
TriLux [-\]: B must defends against b14 in sente
TriLux [-\]: summary good 4w
evanj [2d\]: b14 doesn't cut
SaurusDNA [6k\]: So strategy-wise, would it be correct to say that white should make thickness towards the right by chasing the e8 group towards his influence? Maybe with something like w-h8?
USGO1 [-\]: sweety is watching the game now, and has the most interesting outfit.
SUIRAD [2d\]: lol
tuerda [1d\]: sweety?
hotgo [6k\]: corner or f7
NoBenjamin [5k\]: d13
SUIRAD [2d\]: USGO1  crazy about outfits
SUIRAD [2d\]: :p
stf7 [1k\]: can you give link where its broadcasted?
hotgo [6k\]: i like mini skirt
USGO1 [-\]: Well it's all black and white and go-themed.
emerus [5k\]: ah, d13 is nice
evanj [2d\]: that's dorky
dsaun [1k\]: stf, no video
melk [9k\]: what does the clock say usgo?
emerus [5k\]: sure isn't the most simple way. i think f7 is the pro move
hotgo [6k\]: if e7 then lost the corner
tuerda [1d\]: clock continues to say it is hammertime
stf7 [1k\]: ohh
stf7 [1k\]: too bad
stf7 [1k\]: xd
USGO1 [-\]: The clock says 10:09am
MXHero [3d\]: saurusDNA, we have to see what b does here first, and i feel like b will be doing the chasing
evanj [2d\]: clever
melk [9k\]: thank you
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;B[fp]C[Moppel: the clock say kuckuck every hour
melk [9k\]: *not
hotgo [6k\]: f7 must
SaurusDNA [6k\]: Ah, MXHero, I see what you mean!  :)
hotgo [6k\]: g7 
USGO1 [-\]: Francis still has 1hr 19min.
hotgo [6k\]: g6
nasnad [2d\]: b trying to win before move 100
MXHero [3d\]: f8 is weak, but it's in between two relatively weak w groups
ickypoo [2k\]: g6 
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;W[bg]C[melk [9k\]: that's plenty
]
;B[bf]
;W[dg]
;B[ag]C[tuerda [1d\]: g6
ickypoo [2k\]: me too
hotgo [6k\]: b10 now sente
SUIRAD [2d\]: G6 so bad
MXHero [3d\]: i'm guessing f7 and push three times
evanj [2d\]: g6 makes a vulnerable hsape
NorthWind [5k\]: b4 maybe
]
;W[gn]C[SUIRAD [2d\]: no !
nasnad [2d\]: :D
ickypoo [2k\]: ding ding ding
hotgo [6k\]: hahaha
SUIRAD [2d\]: the 1d was right
MXHero [3d\]: gah
hotgo [6k\]: w wants eat big
evanj [2d\]: :D
]
;B[hl]C[Onmyoji [-\]: b looks better
Onmyoji [-\]: much better
MXHero [3d\]: yeah i still think g6 is bad
hotgo [6k\]: k7
nasnad [2d\]: if w wants b4 then g6 is naturual
emerus [5k\]: seems to follow the dont touch weak stones principle
TonyTiger [4d\]: I've seen worse :)
evanj [2d\]: k7 is way too thin
hotgo [6k\]: w tooooo slow i must go bed soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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;W[bp]C[Moppel: w will die a long and cruel death
SUIRAD [2d\]: hotgo  who cares
USGO1 [-\]: hotgo you can tag the game for viewing later my using the space below the Close button
evanj [2d\]: but you should know that as soon as you leave we're all going to start talking about you
MXHero [3d\]: yep
USGO1 [-\]: fill in a description in the open space then click the tag button to the right.
evanj [2d\]: and it won't be flattering
emerus [5k\]: is there a way to untag games?
tuerda [1d\]: why wait until he leaves?
SaurusDNA [6k\]: All the textbooks say to avoid knight's move when running. Kageyama would cringe at g6.
YellowInk [6k\]: I've been holding off on talking about him until he leaves, too.
emerus [5k\]: they also say to avoid pushing from behind and avoid touching weak stones
emerus [5k\]: pick your poison :)
SUIRAD [2d\]: hotgo u r reviewing pro games  for 2euro ?  XD
SaurusDNA [6k\]: True!   :)
hotgo [6k\]: and then? how to watch it later?
MXHero [3d\]: think of g6 as completing the shape of the e7 wall and it does make more sense
Onmyoji [-\]: i want to talk about hotgo too. did he already leave?
emerus [5k\]: the exchange is great, i didnt get it earlier but
nasnad [2d\]: it is mostly to seperate black
evanj [2d\]: no he's still here :(
nasnad [2d\]: a preparation for b4
emerus [5k\]: if b4 before g6, then b f7 and w resigns
MXHero [3d\]: if it was w's intention to play b4 soon, then g6 does make more sense than f7
emerus [5k\]: so it's smrat
tuerda [1d\]: cant play b4 before g6 or b will be able to connect
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;B[ge]C[MXHero [3d\]: yes, i agree emerus
SUIRAD [2d\]: k b decided to finish the game
NoBenjamin [5k\]: thats ruff
evanj [2d\]: is it just me or has w been paying the price this whole time for the h16-e15-c16 sequence?
zhou901108 [1d\]: is d12 a weak or strong group?
SUIRAD [2d\]: no it's not just u evanj
Onmyoji [-\]: probably
YellowInk [6k\]: looks like a medium group
evanj [2d\]: we're about to find out :D
YellowInk [6k\]: but weakening fast
MXHero [3d\]: but now it looks like w didn't have time to settle in the corner
emerus [5k\]: certainly managable. but not very strong
clydesdale [3k\]: d12 just got a bit weaker
FishGo [2k\]: h16 not looking very effective...
Onmyoji [-\]: i have been wanting to play g15  for a long time
nasnad [2d\]: influence thats i slacking in shape
evanj [2d\]: go play it in your own game onmyoji
emerus [5k\]: was h16 move #8?
Onmyoji [-\]: i never get the chance in my own games
emerus [5k\]: oh
evanj [2d\]: yes emerus
evanj [2d\]: i don't think it was bad myself, but my eyebrows started to raise at c16
tuerda [1d\]: play it on your first move onmyogi
evanj [2d\]: fwiw
SaurusDNA [6k\]: H16 is pining for the fjords.
MXHero [3d\]: to be fair, it's easy to not like w's moves since w is playing against a 9p
tuerda [1d\]: "the fjords are over there" it says
Onmyoji [-\]: only player who might play g15 as first move is sum
MXHero [3d\]: against anybody else and we'd love everything he played
tuerda [1d\]: I might do it
NoBenjamin [5k\]: h9 i think
]
;W[gh]C[tuerda [1d\]: especially if I had been dying to play it for so long
]
;B[ip]C[MXHero [3d\]: wow h15 looked so obvious for b here
SUIRAD [2d\]: did it ?
emerus [5k\]: but j4 is so fundamentally sound
tuerda [1d\]: b has defied "obvious" moves several times already and seems to be doing Ok anyways
ogre [2d?\]: what about when b answers h15 with g14?
emerus [5k\]: instead of going for the throat
Onmyoji [-\]: looks like w didnt get anything from this opening
T10 [?\]: why does prof plays in tournement for nonprof?
evanj [2d\]: thousand bucks
DonValley [-\]: its an open
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;W[in]C[ogre [2d?\]: oh for b
ogre [2d?\]: lol
tuerda [1d\]: this tournament is free for anyone, pro or non
ogre [2d?\]: i thought you meant w
T10 [?\]: ok, thx
]
;B[jl]C[nasnad [2d\]: is b active pro or former pro?
dsaun [1k\]: a pro is a pro
Squiggles [1d\]: ehh
ogre [2d?\]: well he was recently promoted to 9p
ogre [2d?\]: so i guess that means active in some capacity
evanj [2d\]: and it wasn't for twiddling his thumbs
evanj [2d\]: maybe it was for all the ama tournaments he won :P
Onmyoji [-\]: how many ama do you need to beat to get to 9p?
ogre [2d?\]: probably lots
Arhiman [1k\]: 4
evanj [2d\]: two
YellowInk [6k\]: over nine thousand??
zhou901108 [1d\]: weird question
TriLux [-\]: k4 ?
Arhiman [1k\]: evanj, semi-high five
MXHero [3d\]: no yellow, that's 9k
Arhiman [1k\]: o/\\o
Analysis [3d\]: seems bad for w
BigStan [1d\]: all
YellowInk [6k\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: :)
emerus [5k\]: seems w doesnt have near the prospects for making enough
ogre [2d?\]: i dont think h15 works well for w
MXHero [3d\]: yes ogre, i think my h15 idea is just not needed for b
emerus [5k\]: is b aiming at k6 and j12?
MXHero [3d\]: too dangerous for w to save it right now
ogre [2d?\]: ya but before l8 it might be different
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;W[ih]C[ogre [2d?\]: this is just better to play k8 than go h15
evanj [2d\]: it's still before l8
ogre [2d?\]: i mean k8 sorry
zhou901108 [1d\]: l12 feels good
emerus [5k\]: what's the proper follow up around k6 area for b?
MXHero [3d\]: i'd guess o3
ogre [2d?\]: probably l4
SUIRAD [2d\]: O3 seems fine
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;B[he]C[ogre [2d?\]: but
Onmyoji [-\]: good
ogre [2d?\]: oh he went h15. was wondering about if h13 peep did anything
tuerda [1d\]: w appears to be having a hard time
donGoku [4k\]: p17
ogre [2d?\]: h13 h12 k14  or something
zhou901108 [1d\]: now l12 seems more severe, l ilike the pace of attack b is having
MXHero [3d\]: w can't p17 because w doesn't have enough territory
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;W[ik]C[emerus [5k\]: and p17 doesnt even seem sente
ogre [2d?\]: yeah w can just go c3 in the corner
donGoku [4k\]: ok, i see ^^
MXHero [3d\]: oh p17 is sente, but b is happy to respond
ogre [2d?\]: for that group
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;B[il]C[emerus [5k\]: ah
emerus [5k\]: i thought maybe cappint w group in middle would be more urgent
]
;W[kn]C[MXHero [3d\]: maybe, but w may risk ignoring to take a huge corner then
USGO1 [-\]: Peter Freedman is watching the game now - he's watched the top board every day now.
MXHero [3d\]: although against a 9p, there is no risk, there is just death :P
SaurusDNA [6k\]: What about white invasion at m17?
freddygo [3k\]: i dont think white is doing badly at all
donGoku [4k\]: who is Peter Freedman?
Arhiman [1k\]: Morgan's brother
ogre [2d?\]: m17 is not important now
USGO1 [-\]: A friendly 2d with a ball cap and a beard
donGoku [4k\]: hihi, thx
USGO1 [-\]: What can black do for his group in the center?
ogre [2d?\]: yes thats important
sh [-\]: run
emerus [5k\]: Sacrifice
ogre [2d?\]: what do you guys think now
emerus [5k\]: It's only like 30 pts
tuerda [1d\]: transform and roll out?
ogre [2d?\]: if b had played o3 now 
nasnad [2d\]: haha
TonyTiger [4d\]: black could calmly play M8
ogre [2d?\]: and has to run out with the center
MXHero [3d\]: just keep jumping
USGO1 [-\]: is it urgent or will he take a big point elsewhere?
Korenn [?\]: b is wondering if L4 is an overplay? :P
ogre [2d?\]: i dont think its good to have o3
Arhiman [1k\]: peep at g11 then l10
Onmyoji [-\]: m8 
ogre [2d?\]: cause w can separate o3 in sente threatening c3 and b bottom life
zhou901108 [1d\]: m8 seems very standard
MXHero [3d\]: if b tenukis from the center, i will eat my hat
nasnad [2d\]: if b sacrifices l8 i will never play go again
emerus [5k\]: it's m8 or ignore
ogokon [6k?\]: Just jump ahain.
ogokon [6k?\]: again*
Onmyoji [-\]: m8 or too much trouble for b
ogre [2d?\]: m8 looks good to me
emerus [5k\]: those stones seemed to do their job
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;B[hi]C[MXHero [3d\]: yeah if b lets k8 die i had better stop playing go since i understand nothing
tuerda [1d\]: if mxhero eats his hat, I want to see a video
Arhiman [1k\]: oh !!!!
ogre [2d?\]: or k9
Mocramis [5k\]: is the white center group safe now ?
Arhiman [1k\]: 1 point for me
USGO1 [-\]: There's the peep Arhiman
Arhiman [1k\]: yeah
Arhiman [1k\]: that's a high five for you
Mocramis [5k\]: seems not -_-'
FishGo [2k\]: COUNTER PEEP at G9!
Arhiman [1k\]: is usgo1 still the russian spy ?
ogre [2d?\]: is this to play h12 k9 j10 k10 j11 or something?
Unefoix [1d\]: g9gote peep
shouldBdan [7k\]: how did b make so many points during all this?
twotwothr [4d\]: what's ilya shikshins kgs account?
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;W[hh]C[zhou901108 [1d\]: bbw online now
MXHero [3d\]: oh i think this lets b play l10?
Onmyoji [-\]: roln111
ogokon [6k?\]: roln111
twotwothr [4d\]: thanks
Arhiman [1k\]: if it is l10 I'll ask my own 9p rank
nasnad [2d\]: upper side is not territory ywt shouldbdan
USGO1 [-\]: (^o^)//" High five there.
USGO1 [-\]: Да. Он русский шпион.
Arhiman [1k\]: oh, still the spy
Onmyoji [-\]: :o
nasnad [2d\]: but maybe it will be
shouldBdan [7k\]: its weird how 9ps can just make points show up out of nowhere
emerus [5k\]: :[
donGoku [4k\]: j10?
ogre [2d?\]: o guess k9 makes b center look stronger
Arhiman [1k\]: maybe k11 actually
covtxrider [15k\]: j11 builds stength to attack j9?
Hug [3k\]: id say its wierd how they can make points disapear into thin air
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;B[ki]C[harpo [?\]: L11
Hug [3k\]: the opponents points that is
MXHero [3d\]: dang i was so close
Arhiman [1k\]: oh c'mon !
Arhiman [1k\]: that was close
emerus [5k\]: only 9ps can run with a large knight
Onmyoji [-\]: i was going to say l10
USGO1 [-\]: Does this net the j9 stone?
clydesdale [3k\]: yes
harpo [?\]: no, but b wants to play at the bottom
MXHero [3d\]: not unconditionally but practically
nasnad [2d\]: i guess it sorts of miais it
Neospring [3k\]: g9 w
emerus [5k\]: i think so too nasnad
emerus [5k\]: makes b flexible
nasnad [2d\]: either b gets the stone or out in shape
Mocramis [5k\]: is there a video broadcasting of the game ?
XY0908 [-\]: Who is chasing whom?
nasnad [2d\]: good question
dsaun [1k\]: no video, Mocramis
Arhiman [1k\]: the cat and the mouse
harpo [?\]: good question
XY0908 [-\]: bigbadwolf is watching the game ;-)
dsaun [1k\]: nice grammar, XY :)
nasnad [2d\]: it changes every couple of moves just as it should
Mocramis [5k\]: dsaun thanks ;)
clydesdale [3k\]: the mouse has teeth
dsaun [1k\]: welcome
Arhiman [1k\]: but the cat too
emerus [5k\]: it's nice how b is gettingth emore valuable outside moves
MXHero [3d\]: l11 is the most amazing move so far, imho
Lakotnik [2k?\]: Can I please get video USGo?
emerus [5k\]: j4 - l6 exchanges and h15 j12 exchanges
gdghgjd [2d\]: is there a livestream anywhere?
USGO1 [-\]: Maybe I can get the camera up during lunch.
nasnad [2d\]: i think l11 means that b will secure upper side also
ogokon [6k?\]: I heard that Myung wan is actually playing the W stones.
nasnad [2d\]: w is weak now
dsaun [1k\]: no video for this one
ehoumaki [1d\]: (´≖ ◡ ≖｀)
USGO1 [-\]: xD
USGO1 [-\]: if he was, what would you think of the moves so far?
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;W[ii]C[ogokon [6k?\]: Then I like W. ^^
Korenn [?\]: this seems small
ogre [2d?\]: if w peeps g9 it makes f6 fr b even more effective if needed
Piggen94 [5k\]: l10 now?
emerus [5k\]: now b stone is netted
Hug [3k\]: l9 rather
rjm [3k\]: m8
Hug [3k\]: both looks weak tho
MXHero [3d\]: m8 now, maybe?
emerus [5k\]: m7
shouldBdan [7k\]: wait, the players names are in the wrong place?
Hug [3k\]: m8 looks shape
Piggen94 [5k\]: m8 hehe
ogokon [6k?\]: I was kidding. :-P Just teasing our poor scribe.
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;B[kk]C[Hug [3k\]: EYS
rjm [3k\]: very strong move
Hug [3k\]: i made 9d move i must be pro
Piggen94 [5k\]: lol
Lake [11k\]: 1 move = 1 sec
Korenn [?\]: now white has to live small
harpo [?\]: hmm, or  9d made 3k move
Piggen94 [5k\]: lol lol
FishGo [2k\]: tenuki!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hug [3k\]: or it was just an obvious move
Onmyoji [-\]: tanuki
Hug [3k\]: or a possible one
NoBenjamin [5k\]: i say g9
ogre [2d?\]: j15
emerus [5k\]: is g9 sente?
Neospring [3k\]: l11 and l9 were played beutifuly
altrecop [1k\]: l4 
Unefoix [1d\]: not really
Unefoix [1d\]: g9 f7 f6 h7
MXHero [3d\]: w can find a way to use h16 here, i'm sure
rjm [3k\]: l13 or l12
indianayk [4d\]: tenuki may be the only choice and l3 is tempting
ogre [2d?\]: j15 look like use h16
Arhiman [1k\]: k16 ?
ogre [2d?\]: yea l3 is bug but w probably want some peace of mind
ogre [2d?\]: the middle looking hairy
Piggen94 [5k\]: r9?
nasnad [2d\]: hehe
rjm [3k\]: black group doesn't have eye shape either, i don't think white would want to allow l13, so maybe it's best white runs out that way
Piggen94 [5k\]: r9 or r10
emerus [5k\]: l15?
emerus [5k\]: nah
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;W[kh]
;B[lh]
;W[kg]C[Onmyoji [-\]: omg
evanj [2d\]: jeez, i go to take a shower and nothing happens
ogre [2d?\]: w ned to protect his group in sente and play the bottom
dsaun [1k\]: take another one pls, with soap :^)
rjm [3k\]: lol'
Enceladus [-\]: pick up the soap
rjm [3k\]: hahaha
USGO1 [-\]: ogre do you think L4 or somewhere else?
hutachip [4k\]: block = big moyo now
ogre [2d?\]: bottom? l3 probly
Piggen94 [5k\]: m13 m11 ???
ogre [2d?\]: like indiana said
emerus [5k\]: so many places id want o play as B
ogre [2d?\]: b probably wants to protect against h15
ogre [2d?\]: how is good?
Onmyoji [-\]: l12 not good
toffee [3d\]: w not getting any territory.
kukulis4 [2d\]: the top getting huge
Onmyoji [-\]: but b needs to protect cut
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;B[pg]C[Onmyoji [-\]: ok
emerus [5k\]: oooh i liked this move
rjm [3k\]: wow
shouldBdan [7k\]: w should have tenuki, isnt he mostly alive in center?
emerus [5k\]: i wanted it but seemed to aggressive
Piggen94 [5k\]: aahw
rjm [3k\]: what if white m13
Sven84 [3k\]: b getting impatient
hutachip [4k\]: killer instinct
Piggen94 [5k\]: m13 m11 
indianayk [4d\]: q13 looks like a high pro move
ogre [2d?\]: thats some big around play b makes
Arhiman [1k\]: if white m13 then b q13 was nice play :)
rjm [3k\]: w m11
Talus [13k\]: the cut does look interesting
rjm [3k\]: ladder works
Piggen94 [5k\]: m13 m11 o13?
MXHero [3d\]: cutting must be an overplay
NoBenjamin [5k\]: what about m11 or m10
emerus [5k\]: q13 seems to prepare for a cut?
SaurusDNA [6k\]: w-q11?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ooohhh I heard W is actually very strong
gogadget [4k\]: cut at m11 keeps pressure on j8 group
Mocramis [5k\]: how about a pincer that would threatto cut ?a 
kukulis4 [2d\]: q13 - meeting stone
rjm [3k\]: apparently he's an ex-insei from kansai kiin and beat a 1p yesterday
MXHero [3d\]: you heard correctly, chemboy :)
emerus [5k\]: kansai kiin japanese?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: Yes, he beat Quio 1p yesterday
shouldBdan [7k\]: i heard i am actually very weak
ChemBoy613 [-\]: but my wife beat him in the lilghtning tournament ^^
Onmyoji [-\]: how much time left do they have left?
selectz [7k\]: why is the 9p black
A1R [4k\]: wow
ericosman [1k\]: i notice one player is listed as "9p" .  I didn't think they allowed pros to play in the morning go congress tournament .  is that a change in rules ?
emerus [5k\]: tournament, no handicap
ZeroKun [-\]: cause he's 9p?
USGO1 [-\]: It is an Open tournament.
SaurusDNA [6k\]: How much is the prize money?
evanj [2d\]: not a change, eric
evanj [2d\]: thousand bucks
evanj [2d\]: for the winner
ogre [2d?\]: lightning tournament time controls are what? 30 second byo yomi?
Yanwangye [-\]: is kim now W oder black?
evanj [2d\]: b
shouldBdan [7k\]: that was half-german
evanj [2d\]: halbdeutsch
Yanwangye [-\]: xDD sry ^^
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.gocongress.org/events.php
ChemBoy613 [-\]: well, fixing is a bit slow, so B is trying to make the cut less severe by getting stronger in the area
ogre [2d?\]: w needs to counter attack this move
ogre [2d?\]: play something from the other side
gogadget [4k\]: m11 come on
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;W[rh]C[MssrBlanc [2k\]: Who is Quio 1p?
Goprince [3d\]: weird move
ChemBoy613 [-\]: She's a pro, goes to college in Shanghai
selectz [7k\]: time to take a lill puff off the ol pipe
nordlab [-\]: quio isn't even a Chinese name
ChemBoy613 [-\]: erm
Hug [3k\]: q18 looks like a solid move no?
Hug [3k\]: for w
ChemBoy613 [-\]: qiao i think :S  I forget how to spell her name :S
SaurusDNA [6k\]: Why s12?
nordlab [-\]: Qiao is currently 0-2 this year...
evanj [2d\]: why is a pro going to college?
ogre [2d?\]: to learn stuf
evanj [2d\]: they should be like performing monkeys
MXHero [3d\]: lol
ericosman [1k\]: is some pro giving commentary on this game in some other window ?
Hug [3k\]: pro dont earn tooo much
]
;B[qi]C[tuerda [1d\]: to pick up hot college chicks
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i guess something funny happened in her first game, i haven't heard the full story yet
USGO1 [-\]: Shiyao Qiao is a 1p from Shanghai
Arhiman [1k\]: p18 for prettiness
evanj [2d\]: what sort of funny?
ogre [2d?\]: gee. now what w want to q18?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i dunno
nordlab [-\]: wow, White is getting destroyed
ChemBoy613 [-\]: my wife was gonna tell me but hasn't had the chance
evanj [2d\]: well now i want details :D
MXHero [3d\]: now cut at m11?
evanj [2d\]: call her right now
ChemBoy613 [-\]: she's playing go right now
gogadget [4k\]: now cut doesnt work annymore
evanj [2d\]: this is more important
Goprince [3d\]: harder to ct now
Goprince [3d\]: cut*
ericosman [1k\]: q18 looks like low-hanging fruit now
WangFei [-\]: who is your wife,  Chemboy ?
MXHero [3d\]: well there must be a very special reason w played s12
USGO1 [-\]: http://justplaygo.com/index.php/JPG/u.s._go_congress_begins/
indianayk [4d\]: Slowly, w has to worry about  territory from what's left in the open space
ogre [2d?\]: yeah
Yanwangye [-\]: kim won his game yesterday?
Analysis [3d\]: yes
Yanwangye [-\]: k thx =)
ericosman [1k\]: which would be better though for w, q18 or p18 ?
Arhiman [1k\]: l17 probe
ChemBoy613 [-\]: Xingshuo Liu 7d is my wife :)
Onmyoji [-\]: HOW MUCH TIME LEFT
ChemBoy613 [-\]: she should be playings somewhere around board 10
USGO1 [-\]: LOTS
Onmyoji [-\]: HOW MUCH
Yanwangye [-\]: loooooool
Vorador [8k\]: over 9000
Arhiman [1k\]: 4
Goprince [3d\]: lol those drums were so random
USGO1 [-\]: 49min for Francis
barakeel [3d\]: THEY ARE BILLIONS
mythfrance [2k\]: thats a lot of colorados in just the first sentence
ericosman [1k\]: p18 seems to grab more than q18 but maybe too much change for b to live in corner so white should do q18 instead of p18 ?
realDeal [5k\]: 2 years 5 months and 9 days till end of the times
MXHero [3d\]: w must find a cut somewhere
Yanwangye [-\]: pls focus the comments at the game
ptitlou [2d\]: would k3 be over agressive ?
harpo [?\]: l3 please
ogre [2d?\]: maybe p18 would be beter because q18 invites p18
SaurusDNA [6k\]: r9 now? It's the only reason I can think of why white played s12
kukulis4 [2d\]: white r6
ericosman [1k\]: L3 is ok but if black ignores it and plays Q18, will white be sorry ?
harpo [?\]: then c3
nordlab [-\]: Where is Francis Meyer from, and what is his rank from?
nordlab [-\]: I've never heard of him before
mentatt [8k?\]: what if W tenuki instead of s12?
evanj [2d\]: nobody has, he came out of nowhere
evanj [2d\]: he is american raised in japan, insei
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan has 1hr 20min left
nordlab [-\]: oh.
ChemBoy613 [-\]: hey guys, does anyone know where the standings/pairings for the US Open are?
Joven [?\]: if W tenuki corner is really hurt
ogre [2d?\]: francis meyer is young?
redundant [3k\]: 19
USGO1 [-\]: http://justplaygo.com/index.php/JPG/u.s._go_congress_begins/
USGO1 [-\]: oops
USGO1 [-\]: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
ericosman [1k\]: actually I like L3 better than C3 since if black ignores L3 and plays Q18, white can ignore THAT and extend fro L3 to J2, since white is then threatening entire lower left
ogre [2d?\]: b r17 looks annoying
ogre [2d?\]: i think w needs to do something about it
ChemBoy613 [-\]: well, there's a nice picture of Qiao
HlFl [-\]: no live fead today?
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;W[lg]
;B[mh]
;W[mg]C[ericosman [1k\]: wow, white M13 wasn't on any of our menus !!  amazing.
HlFl [-\]: euro-usgo?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: USGO, does there happen to be a list of todays pairings?
]
;B[nh]C[purun [5k\]: wow it played fastly
MXHero [3d\]: ok activate h16 or lose now, w
Arhiman [1k\]: how do you activate it ?
ericosman [1k\]: while we were all thinking about upper right and lower side, white apparently was concerned about safety of the middle.  just goes to show you . . . 
USGO1 [-\]: Yes they are on the wall to my left. I don't know if they'll be online just yet tho.
Arhiman [1k\]: is there a button or something ?
harpo [?\]: bbw is playing
Piggen94 [5k\]: j15 
MXHero [3d\]: yes, there's a button somewhere
ChemBoy613 [-\]: can you happen to see who Xingshuo is Playing?
MXHero [3d\]: you have to put a white stone on one of these intersections
Goprince [3d\]: wow sooo many people in the open
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;W[jd]C[Onmyoji [-\]: thats the buton
USGO1 [-\]: Activated~
USGO1 [-\]: Good call.
MXHero [3d\]: well there's actually an activation -sequence-
MXHero [3d\]: it's some kind of code
ogre [2d?\]: i can hear the motors whir to life
ericosman [1k\]: i like what white is doing with k16.  I hadn't even thought of this sort of thing before.  I look forward to trying it in my own games.
Zahlman [1k\]: MXHero, the Dosaku code?
MXHero [3d\]: lol
MssrBlanc [2k\]: ericosman, are you a comment spammer by any chance?
MssrBlanc [2k\]: maybe a bot?
Arhiman [1k\]: oh told that 4 or 6 moves ago
octavius [8k?\]: is there a link to a video?
evanj [2d\]: yes, millions of them
evanj [2d\]: which one would you like to see?
gogadget [4k\]: W center safety easy with g9 
octavius [8k?\]: this one
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;B[pf]C[octavius [8k?\]: if its possible
A1R [4k\]: andy is playing!
ericosman [1k\]: the general lesson of M13 seems to be "urgent moves before big moves" and the lesson of K16 seems to be "defend while attacking" .  These proverbs steer us away from the more "normal" looking moves of Q18, L3, and C3.
NiceMarmot [12k\]: where is this taking place? does anyone know?
ericosman [1k\]: colorado springs
MXHero [3d\]: well the lesson of k16 is "don't let b take an entire side of the board"
shouldBdan [7k\]: lol
evanj [2d\]: heh
ogre [2d?\]: this game is beyond proverbs
mentatt [8k?\]: awesome game
rjm [3k\]: simply r15?
ogre [2d?\]: sure. r15
MXHero [3d\]: i'm thinking q15, so connection isn't so easy
MXHero [3d\]: but it's ugly
ogre [2d?\]: i m not so sure about the aji
mentatt [8k?\]: I'm thiking of P15
Arhiman [1k\]: r17 ?
ericosman [1k\]: white might need to quietly, strongly, and patiently back off at r15.  
shouldBdan [7k\]: whites going to lose this game no matter what, so it really doesnt matter that much
MXHero [3d\]: lol
rjm [3k\]: r15 is the most natural move, i think any other move played here would be for a specific reason
USGO1 [-\]: How would black punish white q15?
ogre [2d?\]: r15 protects against the r17 move
MXHero [3d\]: if w plays r15, then b q18 is painful though
ogre [2d?\]: not potentially as painful
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;W[pe]C[rjm [3k\]: !
Onmyoji [-\]: goof
MXHero [3d\]: yay
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;B[qc]C[rjm [3k\]: :)
ogre [2d?\]: we have a winner
]
;W[pc]C[rjm [3k\]: wow
]
;B[pb]C[MXHero [3d\]: lol well maybe we are all wrong in our own ways
harpo [?\]: your answer :)
ogre [2d?\]: ok so here we go with r17
ericosman [1k\]: it would be interesting to know why white chose q15 instead of r15.  
Onmyoji [-\]: looks like w didnt expect this
MXHero [3d\]: maybe i just made a 7d mistake lol
DonValley [-\]: cause r15 is bad
ericosman [1k\]: ok thanks.
Onmyoji [-\]: wasnt w 8d before
Golifant [7k\]: 7dans dont make mistakes
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;W[ob]
;B[qb]
;W[oc]
;B[re]C[mentatt [8k?\]: not bad for W
]
;W[qe]C[selectz [7k\]: ?
]
;B[rf]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: not good for w
ogre [2d?\]: game going oddly as expected
mythfrance [2k\]: not when they r playing against 9d=D
Onmyoji [-\]: too gote
mentatt [8k?\]: o16 now
kukulis4 [2d\]: black has to end in gote
kukulis4 [2d\]: he is invading
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;W[qg]C[MXHero [3d\]: oh wow how can this be ok?
Golifant [7k\]: dont bother to respond to Omnyoji
XY0908 [-\]: Solomon, has either player slapped down stones yet?
Golifant [7k\]: you can safely censor
dter12: j17
ericosman [1k\]: yes, because white is trading upper right corner for upper side 
USGO1 [-\]: No this game is not nearly as loud as the Ing round from last night.
Zahlman [1k\]: lol I censored onmyoji a long time ago
Golifant [7k\]: but can white take the upper side?
Onmyoji [-\]: why would you do that
ericosman [1k\]: i never dreamed it was possible, but the entire black middle could come under attack now.
XY0908 [-\]: Did anyone ask Andy how he has been and where he has been?
furr [?\]: keep on dreaming
kukulis4 [2d\]: in corner black got sente, but must do something with O17 stone still
kukulis4 [2d\]: and with K16
illa [4k\]: o15 too much?
Gizensha [?\]: "i have a dream!"
Golifant [7k\]: o17 is sacrificed
kukulis4 [2d\]: o14 might be a choice
rjm [3k\]: locally q12 is proper to fix the black shape, but there probably isn't time
evanj [2d\]: why isn't there time
drunkrank [3k\]: I would play k17... dont know why ..
holynec [?\]: >:O
kukulis4 [2d\]: k15
rjm [3k\]: it seems like black would want to return to the top situation where he ignored k16
MXHero [3d\]: i thought there wasn't time for r13, so i don't know what's happening now
Golifant [7k\]: black K17, sure
covtxrider [15k\]: I would play o14, so that wont happen
NoBenjamin [5k\]: r12 i think
ogre [2d?\]: o14 might be a move
MXHero [3d\]: r12 s13 r16, it's gote for b and doesn't fix the shape that well
drunkrank [3k\]: r12 gote
hotgo [7k\]: wawawawawa
ericosman [1k\]: black is now thinking about how to make something useful and comfortable with those middle stones.  would M6 side-slash be reasonable ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: r12 bad
MXHero [3d\]: q12 is proper, that or o13
ogre [2d?\]: maybe o13
MXHero [3d\]: or none since there doesn't seem to be time
drunkrank [3k\]: alterntively b r6 seems not to be wrong maye?
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan *did* give a lecture yesterday afternoon about timely attachments.
SUIRAD [2d\]: K15
Onibaku [5k?\]: then O14i Think better
hotgo [7k\]: p18
hotgo [7k\]: o18
evanj [2d\]: haah
drunkrank [3k\]: taken
SUIRAD [2d\]: p18 already taken
ogre [2d?\]: whats wrong with o14?
SUIRAD [2d\]: lol
hotgo [7k\]: o18
indianayk [4d\]: j16?
DeadTired [2d\]: wait a minute... do you think black is playing the game in a particular way to illustrate his lecture?
kukulis4 [2d\]: O18 might be too dangerous
ogre [2d?\]: oh yeah
SUIRAD [2d\]: J16 looks absolutely horrible
drunkrank [3k\]: o14 seems nice 
ogre [2d?\]: o14 o13 p13 p12 p11 q12 r12 p14 
ogre [2d?\]: lol
Golifant [7k\]: I like Q6
Onibaku [5k?\]: yes
mex [6k\]: k15 
Onibaku [5k?\]: O14 look good
Golifant [7k\]: but K17 seems safe move
antoine123 [7k?\]: which lecture?
ogre [2d?\]: why dont you look my sequence onibaku
indianayk [4d\]: well, losing g15 is big
hotgo [7k\]: 014 no chance w o16 and escaped
Golifant [7k\]: sequence too long
ogre [2d?\]: it dont look so good
MXHero [3d\]: oh good point indiana
SUIRAD [2d\]: K15
MXHero [3d\]: there's that nasty cut still
]
;B[jc]C[ogre [2d?\]: hotgo i dont see b preventing o16
Golifant [7k\]: yay
Golifant [7k\]: im 9dan now?
drunkrank [3k\]: wow, my first thought ;)
SUIRAD [2d\]: K17  the 7k without reading was right
Onibaku [5k?\]: hmm
hotgo [7k\]: w o16
USGO1 [-\]: No DT I don't think that's the case. But c12 was a textbook case he might have used as an example of a great shape-making attachment.
ericosman [1k\]: congratulations golifant !!!
hotgo [7k\]: peac e n ow
SUIRAD [2d\]: a drunk move
Golifant [7k\]: what without reading???
Golifant [7k\]: I read all the next 100 moves
SUIRAD [2d\]: u mean u can give us the whole sequence ?
hotgo [7k\]: damn 7k again!!
SUIRAD [2d\]: go ahead
Golifant [7k\]: wait
ogre [2d?\]: dont heckle the kyus
SUIRAD [2d\]: hotgo  weren't u 6k at the beggining of the game ?
hotgo [7k\]: k15 only move
rjm [3k\]: k15 looked more natural than k17, this is interesting :)
ericosman [1k\]: the problem with guessing the sequence is that these high level players sometimes play the sequence but the interject all kinds of other stuff first
kukulis4 [2d\]: probably the pro played k15 for the different reason than 7k
dter12: sure
SUIRAD [2d\]: probably ?  surely !
SUIRAD [2d\]: lol
hotgo [7k\]: now my opinion is 7k opinion!
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
covtxrider [15k\]: k15 looks open to me
hotgo [7k\]: 7k opinion worthless
ericosman [1k\]: it does seem though that black is poised to attack the entire white q15 piece
ponticello [3k\]: not worthless, anyone can have a good idea
Golifant [7k\]: you dont need rank to find balance in shapes, only some artistic eye
Onmyoji [-\]: 30k too?
MXHero [3d\]: no matter how highly you think of yourself, always remember that it took a 7k to say this k17 move
NoBenjamin [5k\]: whites really far behind if black lives
indianayk [4d\]: b has no answer to j15 in response to k15
ponticello [3k\]: anyone....and sometimes strong players have bad ideas too
USGO1 [-\]: Francis is rubbing his eyes. The game has been going quite a while now.
hotgo [7k\]: but i said b12 for sure
ogre [2d?\]: suridad has not given a sequence
SpaceCow [2k\]: we k players are earthworms crawling on asfalt...
Arhiman [1k\]: what about myung wan ?
evanj [2d\]: bye
SUIRAD [2d\]: who is suridad ?
Dragon9d [3d?\]: lol
emerus [5k\]: what was the time setting of this matcH?
Dragon9d [3d?\]: 2 hours for each player
hotgo [7k\]: how to see a tagged game?
evanj [2d\]: look at your own info
kukulis4 [2d\]: ok hotgo: what is black's move ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: I mean whites :)
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan's sunburnt-and-peeling arms are crossed and he is reading out sequences while swaying back and forth just a tiny bit.
SUIRAD [2d\]: hotgo weren't u supposed to go to bed ?
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;W[ic]
;B[je]C[hotgo [7k\]: i played a game and now 7k
Sven84 [3k\]: ko?
hotgo [7k\]: yup
XY0908 [-\]: I love your way of relaying the scene, Solomon.
MXHero [3d\]: oh that would be fancy
Arhiman [1k\]: you should write a book, solomon
kukulis4 [2d\]: a very bad ko for white
firewolf07 [3k\]: ..... USGO1 thats a bit too descriptive
Sven84 [3k\]: chance or nothing, more like nothing
Golifant [7k\]: yeah, Solomon is great
ericosman [1k\]: not ko, just looks like ko since black would atari 2 stones at once.
Optician [1k\]: no need for ko
ogre [2d?\]: w connect
USGO1 [-\]: Too descriptive is telling you that Francis has his hand on his chin and is chewing on his left thumbnail
emerus [5k\]: lol
]
;W[ie]C[Zahlman [1k\]: solomon... choe? o_O
]
;B[id]C[MXHero [3d\]: that increases the number of cuts though
ogre [2d?\]: woa
Komodo [24k\]: theres a ko
Komodo [24k\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: yeah amazingly cool
emerus [5k\]: that was a worthless sequence
Golifant [7k\]: who said no Ko?
kukulis4 [2d\]: s16
ogre [2d?\]: i thought w would connect
Arhiman [1k\]: 1k are so weak
ogre [2d?\]: looked ok
emerus [5k\]: s16 bad threat
emerus [5k\]: need a good one
Dragon9d [3d?\]: w seems to be good
Gigot [2k\]: f16 also
Golifant [7k\]: the point is :  Nobody is really strong at GO --- "Nothing's less reliable than common sense in Go." - Toshiro Kageyama 7p 
drunkrank [3k\]: b will take no matter what?
hotgo [7k\]: r16
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;W[ah]C[Sven84 [3k\]: r16 too small
ogre [2d?\]: take
Arhiman [1k\]: a14
emerus [5k\]: nice threat
MXHero [3d\]: how can q16 live if b ends the ko?
hotgo [7k\]: wow double ko
kukulis4 [2d\]: looks small
ogre [2d?\]: i think this lets b play o15 or something
Shesck [12k\]: wird move
emerus [5k\]: b should ignore imo
kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah
emerus [5k\]: but still a sneaky threat
Shesck [12k\]: end gay maybe
Shesck [12k\]: game*
emerus [5k\]: cause w gets like f16 in sente
emerus [5k\]: i think
DanielFox [1k?\]: something on your mind shesck
Murugandi [4d\]: I agree, end gay
Shesck [12k\]: ^^
Piggen94 [5k\]: lol
hotgo [7k\]: a12 too small too
Arhiman [1k\]: just spit it out shesck, we're all friends
kukulis4 [2d\]: black gets sente
Shesck [12k\]: lol
kukulis4 [2d\]: if ignores this threat
Shesck [12k\]: yea here i wanted to say ... lol
Shesck [12k\]: that this is a end gay move^_^
kukulis4 [2d\]: and p17 comes under attack
ponticello [3k\]: white has more threats than black.
Lavv [4d\]: i would also ignore
hotgo [7k\]: after the match the both become gay...
Arhiman [1k\]: did you tell that to your parents ?
Golifant [7k\]: j14 looks bigger
ogre [2d?\]: eat and o15 i say
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;B[if]
;W[af]C[Golifant [7k\]: yes
Shesck [12k\]: they saw the move
Shesck [12k\]: and they agreed
SUIRAD [2d\]: yea
USGO1 [-\]: How can black chase the p17 group?
hotgo [7k\]: o14
Dino9 [6d\]: i would play g16 instead of taking
ogre [2d?\]: o15?
ogre [2d?\]: does w just live easy what does b gain
MXHero [3d\]: oh dino that's fancy
ericosman [1k\]: now black's attack on the p15 piece is quite a possibility wouldn't you say ?
hotgo [7k\]: o14 better than o15
]
;B[jo]C[altrecop [1k\]: woooot
MXHero [3d\]: ignore?
Piggen94 [5k\]: m4
hotgo [7k\]: how to review a tagged game?
twotwothr [4d\]: anyone have a pic of meyer?
hotgo [7k\]: must go sleeping
Moppel: b mispeeped
USGO1 [-\]: Go to your info, it will be under the Tagged Games tab
hotgo [7k\]: thx bye
dsaun [1k\]: hotgo, go to your info, click on tab for tagged games, then load the one you want
SUIRAD [2d\]: hotgo must go sleeping for 2 hours already
Golifant [7k\]: click Help for more help
hotgo [7k\]: got it
ericosman [1k\]: k5 peep seems surprising since the captured c9 stones make white quite solid here.  so it seems white might tenuki now and protect the q15 piece.
Talus [13k\]: I would definetly play to hold the lower right, peep isnt against an important connection to me
MXHero [3d\]: r10?
Piggen94 [5k\]: the time is just 19:29
covtxrider [15k\]: Solomon are they going to break for lunch?
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;W[jn]
;B[ho]C[covtxrider [15k\]: soon?
ogre [2d?\]: if w tenuki b has no worry on bottom 
Golifant [7k\]: Q6 now
ericosman [1k\]: it's only 10:30 am there
Golifant [7k\]: oh
ogre [2d?\]: b had worry about l3
kukulis4 [2d\]: easy game for black now
covtxrider [15k\]: no uts 11:30
USGO1 [-\]: No they usually break for lunch at noon local time. It's 11:30.
Piggen94 [5k\]: 10:30???
Piggen94 [5k\]: man
trueno [6d\]: d2 :p
nasnad [2d\]: tenuki would leave l6 useless, a very big sac
]
;W[hn]C[covtxrider [15k\]: i am 100 mile north of them
ogre [2d?\]: yea b got solid top 
ericosman [1k\]: oh sorry they're in mountain time not west coast time. it's 11:30 am there
ogre [2d?\]: b going for points
Piggen94 [5k\]: i live in sweden
MXHero [3d\]: i thought p17 was a move away from death
MXHero [3d\]: i must be missing something huge
nasnad [2d\]: how do you attack it?
emerus [5k\]: b seems to have weak shape around it
ogre [2d?\]: probably go o15 
Onmyoji [-\]: i will eat now
Golifant [7k\]: maybe you didnt count, B dont need to kill to win this game
Golifant [7k\]: I think
ericosman [1k\]: if b had played o15 how would white handle the q15 piece ?
Golifant [7k\]: only Q5
emerus [5k\]: b already has his 60 pts
Golifant [7k\]: Q6
ogre [2d?\]: if w has to push on second line its good for b
Golifant [7k\]: come on, gimme Q6 or R6
emerus [5k\]: approach frm top seems wrong direction
emerus [5k\]: bottom so much more interesting
dter [6k\]: s11
Golifant [7k\]: really?
ericosman [1k\]: so are we saying that the reason b isn't attacking the q15 piece is that b knows that w loses points trying to defend it ?
Golifant [7k\]: i dont think B wants a floating center
]
;B[nq]C[Golifant [7k\]: right
ponticello [3k\]: I would agree, since the top is open
Piggen94 [5k\]: can w pincer?
ogre [2d?\]: yea b totally ignoring to take more points
ogre [2d?\]: hungry hippo
emerus [5k\]: the center seems healthy and the right side is undercut
Golifant [7k\]: I see
emerus [5k\]: b dostn want to be forced to live small in g3 area
XY0908 [-\]: This is too good for Mr. Kim.
]
;W[lq]C[Piggen94 [5k\]: yay
Golifant [7k\]: oh
Piggen94 [5k\]: i must be a pro
emerus [5k\]: m4?
Golifant [7k\]: stepped on the trap
Arhiman [1k\]: because you asked something ?
MXHero [3d\]: this is the only way for l6 to not look like absolute dame
]
;B[pn]C[Thale [4k\]: is meyer from europe country ,
trueno [6d\]: o5?
Thale [4k\]: ?
trueno [6d\]: arf=/
Golifant [7k\]:  hoho
Optician [1k\]: b might get all 4 corners
USGO1 [-\]: You can read Francis' bio by Options -> View Offline, it is in the first few moves.
NoBenjamin [5k\]: trick P
emerus [5k\]: he wont get bl corner
TheElder [6k?\]: a6 is high, works well with b's right group
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: Meyer is an American, lived in Japan.
ericosman [1k\]: black's strategy of letting the q15 string merely stew in its own juices is a wonderful lesson.  i can't wait for an opportunity to try the same thing in my own games, instead of my sophmoric attacks that i usually launch.
TheElder [6k?\]: q6*
]
;W[np]C[lwhite [5d\]: white is way behind
holynec [?\]: white needs more money :[
pebarefoot [-\]: Um, Europe isn't a country
trueno [6d\]: p4?
dter [6k\]: r3?
TheElder [6k?\]: it's his dialect pebarefoot
covtxrider [15k\]: not a country yet
emerus [5k\]: n4
Golifant [7k\]: great, "sending stones to the opponent" style
Piggen94 [5k\]: q3
emerus [5k\]: the
Golifant [7k\]: I like it , very chinese
emerus [5k\]: n4 n3 p4 o5 q3 p5 p3 joseki seems to leave w with weaknesses
pebarefoot [-\]: I kinda doubt it will ever be!
Onmyoji [-\]: b leads too much
Piggen94 [5k\]: b is 9p
Golifant [7k\]: c3 to finish
USGO1 [-\]: How many points does black have on the top, and how many does white have on the left?
ericosman [1k\]: given that europe isn't a country, should black defend lower left "just to be safe" ?
]
;B[mp]C[Golifant [7k\]: B clearly bigger
]
;W[mq]C[pebarefoot [-\]: MyungWan Kim is unbeaten thus far, is he not?
Arhiman [1k\]: I'd say many on the top and not enough on the left
NoBenjamin [5k\]: yup
Onmyoji [-\]: what is europe if not a country?
USGO1 [-\]: Anyone guess the next move? It's already played but I want to give you a chance...
twotwothr [4d\]: about 28 on top and 20 on the left
emerus [5k\]: p4
DonValley [-\]: r3
]
;B[qp]C[Golifant [7k\]: I was never defeated by a 9dan, yet
]
;W[oq]C[covtxrider [15k\]: b resign
]
;B[qq]C[pebarefoot [-\]: a continent
NoBenjamin [5k\]: 20 and 0 or somethin
TheElder [6k?\]: b res? lol as if
covtxrider [15k\]: lol
covtxrider [15k\]: my guess
USGO1 [-\]: Now can white attack the bottom?
ericosman [1k\]: a black continent is forming on right side of board
TheElder [6k?\]: i've never lost to  a pro before.
DJpessoa [4k?\]: is kim really 9p ?
Piggen94 [5k\]: j2
Golifant [7k\]: cowbinder, want to be my teacher?
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: He means  W will resign soon.
Smilogo [6k\]: b gets the important points and w all the others
pebarefoot [-\]: Germany, France, Spain, etc, are countries
Andrew87 [11k\]: is meyer a pro? or a high ranking KGS player?
leachy [5k\]: europe not a continent either as far as im concerned 
Arhiman [1k\]: h3 ?
pebarefoot [-\]: the EU is a federation
MXHero [3d\]: r10! please
USGO1 [-\]: I will ask him his KGS name when they break for lunch in 20min
DJpessoa [4k?\]: please, can you tell me if Kim is really 9p ? im so curious
holynec [?\]: yes
zakatan [6k\]: EU is far from being a federation
Andrew87 [11k\]: he is 9p
TheElder [6k?\]: why don't you go to go4go.net
ba7a: b so much cash
TheElder [6k?\]: search his name
Golifant [7k\]: you dont need go4go to know that
pebarefoot [-\]: w3ell, they ARE contentious neighbors, lol
DJpessoa [4k?\]: because holynec answered so quickly ! :)
dter [6k\]: is w roseduke?
Onmyoji [-\]: europe is part of russia
Golifant [7k\]: haha
TheElder [6k?\]: i'm just saying. sides, this is a tournament. they wouldn't have their ranks messed up
ogokon [6k?\]: R11 vb
pebarefoot [-\]: hardly!
Arhiman [1k\]: please no talk about russia... we are "listened"...
harpo [?\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
Golifant [7k\]: nowadays Europe is more part of Afrika
ogre [2d?\]: r10 looks like a great move
Optician [1k\]: how far can w jump now. j2 ?
holynec [?\]: i think russia is part of china
ogokon [6k?\]: S11*
hutachip [4k\]: ....
sosze: and russia is a part of china
sosze: oh...
Lake [11k\]: usa of mexico
sosze: ok
sosze: XD
Aquarius [2k?\]: in football europe is part of russia
Piggen94 [5k\]: j2!
antoine123 [7k?\]: china is part of tibet
Golifant [7k\]: I miss the communist parades
leachy [5k\]: the urals seems an odd place to split the geological continent of eurasia
ericosman [1k\]: black s11 is so juicy now if given the opportunity. 
nasnad [2d\]: go to north korea
USGO1 [-\]: White's move 104 attacks the bottom. What do you think it was?
emerus [5k\]: are they in byo yet?
Yanwangye [-\]: lol nooo antoine
DonValley [-\]: c3
emerus [5k\]: c3 or h3
Unefoix [1d\]: e3
Arhiman [1k\]: h3
Smilogo [6k\]: what about livestream?
Arhiman [1k\]: as I said
TheElder [6k?\]: j3
ericosman [1k\]: j2 ?
Kayres [4k\]: k3
MrAwesome [1k\]: j2 haha
]
;W[ir]C[antoine123 [7k?\]: i know it's ironical
nasnad [2d\]: :)
Piggen94 [5k\]: i must be a pro again
dter [6k\]: :))
pebarefoot [-\]: oh, is there a livestream today?
Arhiman [1k\]: it was h3, usgo, I think you mistook
jenesis [4d?\]: the urals are not odd place, it prevented human interaction on both sides for centuries
Arhiman [1k\]: meyer mistook too, it was h3
]
;B[hr]C[TheElder [6k?\]: lol
sampo00 [5k\]: b leading around 40 points?
Smilogo [6k\]: yesterday there was, but today?
]
;W[hq]C[leachy [5k\]: and the himalayas?
]
;B[gr]C[ogre [2d?\]: is it w only chance to make points on bottom?
]
;W[iq]
;B[cq]C[pebarefoot [-\]: I find no livestream on EuroGoTV
nasnad [2d\]: haha, 40 pts is crazy
Danielsan [2k\]: why is Kim 9p, but the others are dan?
pebarefoot [-\]: :-(
nasnad [2d\]: hoe msny do you count for black?
jenesis [4d?\]: that is why it is a subcontinent below the himalayas ^^
Piggen94 [5k\]: when i played with a 7d(no handi) i lost by 33 points
Optician [1k\]: b is getting the last corner, too
Piggen94 [5k\]: 6d*
Smilogo [6k\]: that`s why I´m asking
StefanRadu [1k\]: is there a live stream?
pebarefoot [-\]: some folks need to study geopolitics better
NorthWind [5k\]: is this right ? B allowed W g5 ?
USGO1 [-\]: Francis is considering the right side now.
ogre [2d?\]: g5 not enough
]
;W[ql]C[Arhiman [1k\]: maybe MX's r10 ?
altrecop [1k\]: any dan can explain if E15 is big point (trying to kill p18)?
Optician [1k\]: those 3 stones are not important
NoBenjamin [5k\]: ooooo
]
;B[nr]C[antoine123 [7k?\]: action!!!
Optician [1k\]: o2 standard play
pebarefoot [-\]: this is a rather intertesting game IMO
harpo [?\]: standard sacrifice technique
rjm [3k\]: yeah, great game
from2ch [4k\]: there r 1hour or more?
USGO1 [-\]: What will black do about the r8 stone?
SUIRAD [2d\]: R8 big overplay
pebarefoot [-\]: *interesting* sry
A1R [4k\]: g5 ok for w?
leachy [5k\]: then what about the altai mts, sahara desert, etc etc 
rjm [3k\]: first black has to stop connection from s11
ogre [2d?\]: b is doing about the r8 stone
fada [2k\]: ola the center
USGO1 [-\]: Can white ignore o2?
Piggen94 [5k\]: no
SUIRAD [2d\]: no
rjm [3k\]: no
Onmyoji [-\]: no
Optician [1k\]: yes
Kanin [-\]: no
SUIRAD [2d\]: too big
ogre [2d?\]: w can play o5
stf7 [1k\]: yes
Andrew87 [11k\]: lol
Onmyoji [-\]: no
NorthWind [5k\]: p2 looks good
MrAwesome [1k\]: can: yes. should he: probably not
covtxrider [15k\]: b can monkey jump and connect?
purun [5k\]: yes
rjm [3k\]: black just wants to get o5 in sente here
stf7 [1k\]: he can play whatever he wants
sampo00 [5k\]: n5 
Sven84 [3k\]: o5 never good
jenesis [4d?\]: b atari at o5 after this is severe
rjm [3k\]: p2 o5 p4 s11, something like this i think
ogre [2d?\]: w 05 never good?
Sven84 [3k\]: yes
yahoogo: k
ogre [2d?\]: ok
Arhiman [1k\]: p4
jenesis [4d?\]: if w tenuki then the three stones prob get captured
]
;W[no]C[SpaceCow [2k\]: lol
Optician [1k\]: o5 is not tenuki
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
ogre [2d?\]: whatever u say man
Golifant [7k\]: haha
rjm [3k\]: wow never seen this option before :)
Kanin [-\]: o5................
]
;B[or]C[Optician [1k\]: r5 now
Kanin [-\]: p2 is gigantic
rjm [3k\]: s11
mex [6k\]: g5 
A1R [4k\]: g5?
MXHero [3d\]: so is r5
Kanin [-\]: o5 is a joke
Golifant [7k\]: N5
TheElder [6k?\]: n4 has amazing aji now
yahoogo: 7d play joke moves in competition while hundreds watch?
Lake [11k\]: o5 is an "i will go this way, you will go that way"-move
Kanin [-\]: yahoogo, ofcourse
kukulis4 [2d\]: g5
fada [2k\]: the shape is m5
Totti10 [4k\]: what is w reading
Onmyoji [-\]: o5 only choice
USGO1 [-\]: Is it bad to have all 4 corners?
Golifant [7k\]: the news
Sven84 [3k\]: you haven't seen the end of illya vs artem this morning at EGC obviously
jundrami [16k\]: so this is the US open for go tournament game?
A1R [4k\]: r6 also interesting
MXHero [3d\]: only if you are b, usgo :)
TheElder [6k?\]: did artem win?
Onmyoji [-\]: proverb: if either players have 4 corners b should resign
Sven84 [3k\]: yep
rjm [3k\]: i think white should s11 unless there is something he can force with before needing to do that
clayton [-\]: what happened?
yahoogo: proverb says if B has all 4 corner, W win
harpo [?\]: o8?
Onmyoji [-\]: no
Lavv [4d\]: where can we see the game sven
captnapalm [1d\]: entire black middle is weak? or no
TheElder [6k?\]: w has to take care of n4 right now or the bottom can die
SpaceCow [2k\]: no
Ailura [8k\]: that proverb doesn't really apply when b is 9p
jundrami [16k\]: black doesnt look weak in the middle
yahoogo: onmyogi version is more best
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan shouldn't b3 then, or else W+Proverb
harpo [?\]: b should kill l9
Sven84 [3k\]: acc: EuroGoTV1 top game i think
rjm [3k\]: i don't see what n4 can do
jenesis [4d?\]: which leads to interesting turn of events at top of euro open
clayton [-\]: oh there was just drama on the board, none off the board?
Lavv [4d\]: thx
emerus [5k\]: Proverb only applies when the weaker player is B
yahoogo: W has the vapors
Golifant [7k\]: proverb says Yahoo player are time cheater with oe without corners
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;W[mk]C[twotwothr [4d\]: when is the next euro game?
fada [2k\]: big shape
Sven84 [3k\]: 14 hours
rjm [3k\]: w really springing into action these last few moves
USGO1 [-\]: Who saw this move coming?
Severdija [1d\]: n4 not going anywhere
harpo [?\]: me
rjm [3k\]: not me :)
Onmyoji [-\]: where are white's points?
harpo [?\]: kill L9
]
;B[ok]C[jundrami [16k\]: what country has the current best go players?
MXHero [3d\]: might be in the center of the board
yahoogo: points are overrated
fada [2k\]: in the center
BigStan [1d\]: in b's pocket
NorthWind [5k\]: left side
rjm [3k\]: korean and china
kostuek [-\]: woa this w is really toast
Sven84 [3k\]: korea
rjm [3k\]: korea*
jundrami [16k\]: ok
ogre [2d?\]: is go proverb really important?
Golifant [7k\]: yes
yahoogo: yes, ogre
dedroid [1k\]: china has the strongest young players becoming pro
jundrami [16k\]: whos the best after them?
Golifant [7k\]: I cant live without proverbs
Severdija [1d\]: n4 is w points;)
ogre [2d?\]: i dont think it is
Ailura [8k\]: go proverbs are for kyu players
Totti10 [4k\]: i think you mean air
jundrami [16k\]: lol yeah!
stf7 [1k\]: g5 is w points?
A1R [4k\]: but just as the age limit is 15yrs there in china !
ogre [2d?\]: provers are made for breaking
jundrami [16k\]: exactly
yahoogo: proverb helps newer players have some way to remember important general ideas of play. they should not be used as gospel, but as guideline
mex [6k\]: n7 
TheElder [6k?\]: no guys. white's going to kill n12 group and win. =\]
jenesis [4d?\]: I remember when chen yaoye gave 3H to a 8d on kgs ^^
]
;W[lj]C[Onmyoji [-\]: i always use the 4 corners proverb to win
twotwothr [4d\]: chen yaoye
fada [2k\]: whiye must kill
twotwothr [4d\]: thanks jenesis
ogre [2d?\]: oh yea i think i saw that game
twotwothr [4d\]: yeah it was shiryuu
shouldBdan [7k\]: w is playing with fire
twotwothr [4d\]: he was 8d at the time but now he's 6d
jenesis [4d?\]: ah
NorthWind [5k\]: hmm, a cut
GregHouse [2d\]: l10 o8 
Golifant [7k\]: whay cut?
Golifant [7k\]: what
fada [2k\]: m11
Sonatine [7k\]: n7 ?
ogre [2d?\]: i saw the game yuki satoshi beat chen yaoye
yahoogo: 7k cant see that cut?
harpo [?\]: n8
Golifant [7k\]: m11 is not really cut
Golifant [7k\]: w m11 will die asfixiated
MXHero [3d\]: not yet, but after o8 it is
Larrave [1d\]: i see no cut
fada [2k\]: ???
Lodestone [4k\]: L10 is necessary here, right?
rjm [3k\]: black l10, then white back off, and black need to fix again?
Totti10 [4k\]: w cant l10
GregHouse [2d\]: n8 here is a good choice
Optician [1k\]: w can perhaps m9
jenesis [4d?\]: chen is still the youngest player to hit 9p I believe
harpo [?\]: l10 looks possible
Piggen94 [5k\]: k3 k2 l3 l2 m4 soon?
NorthWind [5k\]: L10 can't be needed if there's no cut
jundrami [16k\]: after b l10 i think white would go to m8
GregHouse [2d\]: b will not l10°
TheElder [6k?\]: i think b would l2 first in that situation piggen
A1R [4k\]: how much time is left USGO?
Onmyoji [-\]: n8 
Larrave [1d\]: black  has to l10 doesnt he?
evanj [2d\]: not necessarily
fada [2k\]: seriouly pb
Mocramis [5k\]: blqck will L9 or N8 isn't it ?
Piggen94 [5k\]: no... b can´t connect n4 if l2 theelder
jundrami [16k\]: maybe black could go to m9
TheElder [6k?\]: but he can kill j2 that way
Mocramis [5k\]: M9 *
purun [5k\]: n8?
Onmyoji [-\]: :E
TheElder [6k?\]: or take white's points, white's decision
jundrami [16k\]: what do you guys think about m9?
Piggen94 [5k\]: k3 better
Totti10 [4k\]: i dont think this is sente
USGO1 [-\]: Black has 56 minutes left, white only 11 minutes of main time.
NorthWind [5k\]: k8 looks in big trouble
dfgdfs: lol
kiwi89 [6k\]: how so
SUIRAD [2d\]: m9 is 16k move  that's my first thought jundrami
Komodo [24k\]: w wuold be mean to take l10
Golifant [7k\]: k8 is not in trouble, B is only thinking in the simplest way to end
Piggen94 [5k\]: hmm... k3 is maybe not sente hehe
covtxrider [15k\]: w will resign when main time runs out?
Larrave [1d\]: to me anything else than l10 looks unreasonable
Onmyoji [-\]: will this be sealed move?
kiwi89 [6k\]: l 10 is quite simple
Lodestone [4k\]: if that was my group, it'd be in trouble for sure
A1R [4k\]: whats byoyomi? 5x30sec?
USGO1 [-\]: yes
A1R [4k\]: ok
covtxrider [15k\]: click help, yes
A1R [4k\]: thx
ogre [2d?\]: m9 looks good
Golifant [7k\]: of course L10 is next move, -- i think --b is reading the moves posible for white before playing
DeadTired [2d\]: since b has so much time left, they can go to lunch and leave the clock running?
ogre [2d?\]: goooo m9!
USGO1 [-\]: ;D
A1R [4k\]: after m9 o10 right?
USGO1 [-\]: No they'll pause the clock with the move sealed for lunch.
Larrave [1d\]: probably hes reading what happens after l10
jundrami [16k\]: thanks for agreeing with me ogre
Golifant [7k\]: sure Larrave
Larrave [1d\]: xD
Danielsan [2k\]: I were looking at m9 but it looks scary
Larrave [1d\]: i just confirmed you:P
DJpessoa [4k?\]: has white some points somewhere ?
jundrami [16k\]: m9 looks exciting!
fada [2k\]: ok L10 W m7  bl m11  wp8 after ?
kiwi89 [6k\]: why play m9 when you have l10?
ogre [2d?\]: m9 o10 does not make good shape
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;B[kj]C[rjm [3k\]: n7 now
jundrami [16k\]: damn l10!
dfgdfs: over now^^
Larrave [1d\]: m9 he will just n10
stf7 [1k\]: white can G5 to get many points
]
;W[nl]C[NorthWind [5k\]: seems L10 was needed
]
;B[li]C[kiwi89 [6k\]: m11 
Larrave [1d\]: the question is does m9 exchange give profit to black?
]
;W[ol]C[Danielsan [2k\]: b don't want to make things complicated so I guess l10 makes sense
dedroid [1k\]: well, this has become interesting
Golifant [7k\]: B dont need moer profit
ogre [2d?\]: this looks kinda clunkier somehow
Golifant [7k\]: B won already
kiwi89 [6k\]: quite simple, just connect all and b has a big lead
rjm [3k\]: white has done some great things recently
fada [2k\]: BIG CENTER
Unefoix [1d\]: seems easy to black to live
Golifant [7k\]: B only plays to secure the lead
Sven84 [3k\]: o14?
NorthWind [5k\]: k8 alive how ?
LearnAgain [-\]: n12 group is missing eyes atm?
covtxrider [15k\]: se says w is winning
evanj [2d\]: it'll happen
]
;B[qk]C[Golifant [7k\]: once you are in sure win position, dont gamble, count and play saffe win
Onmyoji [-\]: trouble for r14 
Onmyoji [-\]: ??
kostuek [-\]: im kyu. i cant be in sure win position
bikle [5k\]: Is there a lunch break coming ?
LearnAgain [-\]: r14 shape seems strong enough with its relation to n13 atm
USGO1 [-\]: Francis is sealing the move now. The game will resume at 1pm local time, in 1hr.
Onmyoji [-\]: ok
mex [6k\]: p10 
jundrami [16k\]: ok thanks 
DeadTired [2d\]: thx usgo
Golifant [7k\]: good, Im hungry
bikle [5k\]: Thanks USGO1
A1R [4k\]: ask for the KGS ID!
rjm [3k\]: thanks
jundrami [16k\]: anyone wanna play a rengo game while we wait?
A1R [4k\]: pls
jundrami [16k\]: and thanks usgo
Lodestone [4k\]: how many people are watching the game live in person?
Golifant [7k\]: thanks for the comments
ogre [2d?\]: lunk eaters
jundrami [16k\]: im going to make a rengo table
scottw1919 [7k\]: rengo
jundrami [16k\]: come join if you want
Golifant [7k\]: haha
indianayk [4d\]: b is looking at o15
Piggen94 [5k\]: no lunch, supper
Golifant [7k\]: im gonna make a cheese and wine table
USGO1 [-\]: Francis is enomai on KGS but he says he hasn't played on here in a long time.
USGO1 [-\]: I think at least a few months...
Severdija [1d\]: lunch break?
NorthWind [5k\]: heretic !
Piggen94 [5k\]: supper break
A1R [4k\]: kast time in june!
A1R [4k\]: last*
Severdija [1d\]: dorm food.
jundrami [16k\]: ok i made a rengo table if anyone wants to join while we wait for this to start back up
NorthWind [5k\]: nice position to leave. W sealed o15 or so ?
jundrami [16k\]: need one more for rengo
GregHouse [2d\]: b still has o14
kukulis4 [2d\]: I think black leading by 25 points
DJpessoa [4k?\]: white has not real territories
Kryo [10k\]: he has imaginary territories?
jundrami [16k\]: does anyone want to join my rengo table?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white can get some with g5
jundrami [16k\]: were playing a rengo game while we wait for the game to start up again
shouldBdan [7k\]: is it lunch?
microcus: have white to play for make his group R15 alive ? 
NorthWind [5k\]: seems likely
Araragi [17k\]: I agree.
Backflash: he got to start new game)
ogre [2d?\]: w has to risk it
ogre [2d?\]: could go o16 for easy safety
ogre [2d?\]: q12 might do something
ogre [2d?\]: but w needs to push hard for a chance
ogre [2d?\]: play safe is like resign
microcus: so he can't make point
Backflash: yea, push a train up the hill
ogre [2d?\]: w try to kill b whole center
NorthWind [5k\]: W hopes to kill k8 somehow
NorthWind [5k\]: without losing r15
Mipaline [6k?\]: Does sb know where can I find the game from this morning Artem against Ilya, pls?
Araragi [17k\]: I assume Ilya won
Mipaline [6k?\]: Yes
Araragi [17k\]: but I'd like to see the end as well
hylie [4d\]: Artyom won.
microcus: but black have got  M14; S8; R12 ... he have the time
Pokey26 [10k\]: artem won
NorthWind [5k\]: prob in eurogotv1 games
ogre [2d?\]: look at eurogotv1
Backflash: nope
ogre [2d?\]: maybe
Mipaline [6k?\]: I saw the beginning but I didnt see decisive moment
ogre [2d?\]: ok misapaline
Mipaline [6k?\]: it was very sharp
Araragi [17k\]: Same. The feed finally came back up, but it was 4:45 am EST.
Backflash: good for you, it was terrible
ogre [2d?\]: go to main kgs window
ogre [2d?\]: and click on top user
ogre [2d?\]: then view user information
ogre [2d?\]: and type eurogotv1
pebarefoot [-\]: ypou should find the results here  http://www.egc2010.fi/ 
ogre [2d?\]: then view the game list
Mipaline [6k?\]: thx you very much ogre
Zahlman [1k\]: ... so is w just hoping to kill this dragon? seems hopeless otherwise
ogre [2d?\]: but you will get a file with kibitz spam all over it
kurizu [5k?\]: how is time for white ?
SUIRAD [2d\]: omg  Artem so strong ~
ogre [2d?\]: there might be a clean sgf from their site some day
pebarefoot [-\]: i WONDER WHO WILL DO BETTER, aRTEM OR aLI?
NorthWind [5k\]: yes seems hopeless otherwise Zahl
pebarefoot [-\]: sry, caps lock
ogre [2d?\]: i didnt see the ali games
ogre [2d?\]: did he win everything so far?
ogre [2d?\]: artem lost a game to kang
ogre [2d?\]: its rock paper scissors with them and ilia
NorthWind [5k\]: Artem, Kang and the goblin all lost just 1
Zahlman [1k\]: goblin? o_O
ogre [2d?\]: lol
NorthWind [5k\]: sorry, Ilya :D
FlatLine [5k\]: if B O14 the W can save group P18?
ogre [2d?\]: i wanted goblin to win the tournament this year
Zahlman [1k\]: why is ilya a goblin
ogre [2d?\]: beats me
Kilik [1k\]: how much time left plz ?
NorthWind [5k\]: looks
ogre [2d?\]: thats not entirely flattering is it
hotgo [7k\]: i said already by e8 dragon hunting
NorthWind [5k\]: ogre would like it :)
SUIRAD [2d\]: how it comes this game is stopped ?
hotgo [7k\]: so had b planned
ogre [2d?\]: more into goblin hunting
NorthWind [5k\]: lunch break
Zahlman [1k\]: of course ogre will cheer for a goblin :)
hotgo [7k\]: what is goblin?
zakatan [6k\]: it isn't stopped
zakatan [6k\]: it's just slow
Oroth [2k\]: who is francis meyer?
NorthWind [5k\]: no, it is stopped. for lunch
gogadget [4k\]: you don't know ghost and goblins? classic game
quyx [8k\]: a goblin is a pretty ogre
NorthWind [5k\]: 1 hour break
hotgo [7k\]: what is ofre?
hotgo [7k\]: what do they eat?
hotgo [7k\]: chinese?
ogre [2d?\]: meat
quyx [8k\]: shrek is one
gogadget [4k\]: shrek is an ogre
hotgo [7k\]: usago1 what do they eat? or u eating too?
hotgo [7k\]: usago not here?
hotgo [7k\]: why didnt he turn on voice by rest?
ogre [2d?\]: dragons a bit rich for my blood tho
NorthWind [5k\]: poor guy has to eat too. he's been working
hotgo [7k\]: he erans money
hotgo [7k\]: is q15 dead or not?
quyx [8k\]: ow! they're on break
quyx [8k\]: continuation in half an hour?
hotgo [7k\]: if w plays o14 w lives
NorthWind [5k\]: looks saveable. either connect to n13 or eat o17
FlatLine [5k\]:  I repeat the answer: if b O14  w can save group P18?
DJpessoa [4k?\]: harder and harder for white indeed
ogre [2d?\]: flatline its w to move
hotgo [7k\]: o15 better than o14
hotgo [7k\]: repaet answe or question?
FlatLine [5k\]: sorry question
hotgo [7k\]: ic if w run by the second line w can survive too
NorthWind [5k\]: well, W to play first. if he played elsewhere we might find out
HelloQtion [-\]: how many time left for players please ?
hotgo [7k\]: now second line run is not possbile anymore so w must connect
pebarefoot [-\]: did this game break for lunch?
hotgo [7k\]: how about w q12?
NorthWind [5k\]: yup
pebarefoot [-\]: thx
hotgo [7k\]: hahaha i load this game and let the computer calculate the points
pebarefoot [-\]: I must haqve been at the other game at the time :-(
ogre [2d?\]: only watch one game at a time
uggeh [14k?\]: isn't black in a huge lead here?
hotgo [7k\]: anyone counted the points for both?
Goprince [3d\]: o10?
NorthWind [5k\]: point count ok; deciding what is alive not so easy
CptCaveman [2d\]: If b middle is alive, b win
NorthWind [5k\]: seems likely
NorthWind [5k\]: but is it ?
VISA [4d\]: yeah of course
tuerda [1d\]: ok, how long has this position been on the board?
NorthWind [5k\]: ok
VISA [4d\]: there are so many ways to live
VISA [4d\]: Lunch break...
CptCaveman [2d\]: I am sure that if I were b against this w, it would be dead :)
SUIRAD [2d\]: i didn't know 2d were so weak :o
SUIRAD [2d\]: ok i will come back 3d tomorrow then
pebarefoot [-\]: c Y'all in a bit, gotta go pay my rent, lol
CptCaveman [2d\]: we are. just watch any of us take 6 stones against an 8d
SUIRAD [2d\]: no i believe 6 stones is a little too much for an 8d 
pebarefoot [-\]: I'd need more than that, Capt!
SUIRAD [2d\]: even aginst a pro  6 stones should be fine
MssrBlanc [2k\]: I've seen 9d vs 4d at 5 stones on kgs.  
MssrBlanc [2k\]: even without crazy time limits
trueno [6d\]:  the game is end ?
VISA [4d\]: nope
CptCaveman [2d\]: lunch break
trueno [6d\]: ty
NorthWind [5k\]: back in 20 mins time
SUIRAD [2d\]: most of the time it's just blitz 
FlatLine [5k\]: Mr. USGO1 - tine left?
FlatLine [5k\]: time
purp [6k\]: .
ickypoo [2k\]: !
ickypoo [2k\]: time to pray
purp [6k\]: funny name
purp [6k\]: smiles
ickypoo [2k\]: nothing to laugh at
antoine123 [7k?\]: what does icky mean?
purp [6k\]: nasty
purp [6k\]: awful
NorthWind [5k\]: don't go there
antoine123 [7k?\]: ok
antoine123 [7k?\]: funny name indeed
XY0908 [-\]: Are we having a lunch break?
NorthWind [5k\]: yes, we are lunching fervently
ogre [2d?\]: they probably finished eating 
DJpessoa [4k?\]: well, they are soon back !
NorthWind [5k\]: they could never make this work in Europe. the timekeeping is atrocious
YellowInk [6k\]: Is there an unplayed sealed move?
ogre [2d?\]: yea
NorthWind [5k\]: players wander in whenever they feel like it
pebarefoot [-\]: YellowInk, that is customary, they did that yesterday
wuhu [-\]: game over??
pebarefoot [-\]: lunch break
wuhu [-\]: ah okay
wuhu [-\]: thx
pebarefoot [-\]: np
Lodestone [4k\]: 9 minutes til resume
pebarefoot [-\]: then I'd better run pay rent ands get back here, no? LoL
NorthWind [5k\]: Americans much better organised. I bet they restart right on time
FlatLine [5k\]: lunch break with w move in envelope?
Lodestone [4k\]: yep
YellowInk [6k\]: It looks like b+10 or so
YellowInk [6k\]: pretty solid lead
Lodestone [4k\]: w q9 next?
evanj [2d\]: almost certainly not
scottw1919 [7k\]: is black upperright dead
evanj [2d\]: no
Lodestone [4k\]: then where?
DJpessoa [4k?\]: is the white chain in upper right safe ,
DJpessoa [4k?\]: ?
YellowInk [6k\]: Not yet
NorthWind [5k\]: can he make it safe in sente ?
YellowInk [6k\]: It should live, but it's definitely not settled.
DJpessoa [4k?\]: and what about the big black group in center ?
YellowInk [6k\]: also should live
evanj [2d\]: well aren't you nose
evanj [2d\]: nosy*
adiida [3k\]: that's what we all want to find out
adiida [3k\]: :)
NorthWind [5k\]: stay tuned
DJpessoa [4k?\]: is that here that the game will be decided so ?
NorthWind [5k\]: just tempting youse into guessing :P
Unefoix [1d\]: this is the purpose of this game, white try to kill tthis to have a chance to win
YellowInk [6k\]: I would not be suprised if w tries to kill, then resigns
DJpessoa [4k?\]: hes courageous so !
scottw1919 [7k\]: does w need to  kill center to win
NorthWind [5k\]: need some 7d magic
evanj [2d\]: probably
evanj [2d\]: unfortunately 9ps are immune to 7d magic
DJpessoa [4k?\]: :)
NorthWind [5k\]: oh :(
Woodstock [3d\]: O15 connects, right?
evanj [2d\]: looks so
scottw1919 [7k\]: b O15
shouldBdan [7k\]: where is w's territory?
YellowInk [6k\]: left side
evanj [2d\]: maybe he left it at home
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;W[rl]C[evanj [2d\]: here we go!!!
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome back.
NorthWind [5k\]: yay
USGO1 [-\]: S8 was the sealed move.
Unefoix [1d\]: o14 looks better way to connect ^^
DJpessoa [4k?\]: good !
DJpessoa [4k?\]: i like this game
Unefoix [1d\]: o15 and o14 don't connect, but white must make life with p17
ogre [2d?\]: hi
]
;B[nf]C[Unefoix [1d\]: o13
DJpessoa [4k?\]: t10 ?
Unefoix [1d\]: to cut
evanj [2d\]: this will be fun
ogre [2d?\]: t10 is one space off
scottw1919 [7k\]: t11
pebarefoot [-\]: cool! they're back!
tuerda [1d\]: t9 or t11 to connect
tuerda [1d\]: t10 does not
scottw1919 [7k\]: or t9 
scottw1919 [7k\]: connects underneath
shouldBdan [7k\]: connects with zero territory
FlatLine [5k\]: Meyer didn't put poison into Kim coffee
]
;W[ng]C[purun [5k\]: q3
Golifant [7k\]: connecting without making points, how sad
ogre [2d?\]: just responding to the t10
pebarefoot [-\]: interesting choice for b
ogre [2d?\]: w must do more than live
USGO1 [-\]: How does black play from here?
Golifant [7k\]: Q12
NorthWind [5k\]: p13 enough ?
Dagobert [4d\]: dunno, tell us USGO1 :p
pebarefoot [-\]: yeah, w needs more territory
YellowInk [6k\]: black just wants life
Golifant [7k\]: p13 looks like bad shape
Golifant [7k\]: q12 seems more elegant
VISA [4d\]: p13 is a must
ChemBoy613 [-\]: there is still so much going on in this game...
YellowInk [6k\]: q12 allows cut
YellowInk [6k\]: I see p13
VISA [4d\]: q12? lmao
Golifant [7k\]: mm
Golifant [7k\]: dont laugh, im 7k
ogre [2d?\]: q12 is gote cause w will s13
VISA [4d\]: i would laugh even if you were 17k
YellowInk [6k\]: could maybe p14 though?
Unefoix [1d\]: p13, and p12 seems to cut
alicelidel [5k?\]: p14 looks good
]
;B[ph]C[Golifant [7k\]: lol
VISA [4d\]: p14 even worse....
pebarefoot [-\]: heck, I', only 9k, VISA
VISA [4d\]: lolololo
YellowInk [6k\]: heh
Golifant [7k\]: second time I guessed right on this game !!!!!!!!!!
VISA [4d\]: apparently 9p doesn't want to connect
alicelidel [5k?\]: I do like that actually
Dagobert [4d\]: VISA is strong!
alicelidel [5k?\]: b will win for sure now
Unefoix [1d\]: p13 wasnot a connection
YellowInk [6k\]: p13 p14 p12 p11 o11 o10
YellowInk [6k\]: I think still connects
Kilik [1k\]: how to live here..
Golifant [7k\]: apparently 4d underestimate kyu without thinking
evanj [2d\]: p14 is the cut, yellowink
pebarefoot [-\]: I can quite often call the moves of a high dan but try doing it my own games, rofl!
evanj [2d\]: roffle
YellowInk [6k\]: ty evanj
Golifant [7k\]: im only try to find harmonous shape
ogre [2d?\]: looks like b was worried about p13 p12 
markpi: i guess 4 cornrs loose except a 9pro has them  :)
A1R [4k\]: if b's group lives w should play m18
shouldBdan [7k\]: are they allowed to study the board while eating lunch?
evanj [2d\]: no
pebarefoot [-\]: well...that was  of 3-4 moves I considered
YellowInk [6k\]: I think b believes p13 cut allows b to kill white chain
ogre [2d?\]: or well
A1R [4k\]: w is connected
pebarefoot [-\]: one of*
Golifant [7k\]: shouldbdan, high dans has all the moves in his head
ChemBoy613 [-\]: w can connect...
Mipaline [6k?\]: o15?
ogre [2d?\]: actually p13 lets w play n15
purun [5k\]: they can if they memorize tho stones pasition
Golifant [7k\]: they know all the moves
ogre [2d?\]: cause there is damezumari
NoBenjamin [5k\]: does s10 work?
Golifant [7k\]: s10 only way to connect
evanj [2d\]: s10 one of at least three ways to connect
A1R [4k\]: no
ogre [2d?\]: o15 now is what? good?
ogre [2d?\]: or p14 directly?
evanj [2d\]: i'm not even sure what the point of cutting is
ogre [2d?\]: not o15 i mean n15
R1D1 [17k\]: is there a life stream for this game?
ogre [2d?\]: i meant to say n15 ok
UFO [3k\]: Aaaa! a spacecow!
xio [5k\]: r5 works?
]
;W[nd]
;B[mj]C[Unefoix [1d\]: p14 or resign (or p14 and resign)
evanj [2d\]: looks like neither
pebarefoot [-\]: R1D1, not that I'm aware of today
ogre [2d?\]: maybe this is same as n15
clydesdale [3k\]: game over
pebarefoot [-\]: I did watch the live stream yesterday
quyx [8k\]: is spacecow a shape?
kiwi89 [6k\]: black is live, white will resign maybe
kiwi89 [6k\]: alive*
R1D1 [17k\]: k, thx
UFO [3k\]: now its an acountname
UFO [3k\]: no
quyx [8k\]: ah, you're an UFO...
UFO [3k\]: zoef...
quyx [8k\]: so you encounter spacecows...
A1R [4k\]: o16 mistake?
UFO [3k\]: yes there are many spacecows lately
xio [5k\]: there's no such thing as a spacecow, you should know it at this age
USGO1 [-\]: It's udder disaster.
evanj [2d\]: boooooo go back to transcribing
kiwi89 [6k\]: i dont know if you can call it mistake, it looks like any move will lose for white
pebarefoot [-\]: but if UFO knows who he is, is he really an unidentified object?
scottw1919 [7k\]: m9
USGO1 [-\]: White's basic time is about to run out. Byo yomi is 5 periods of 30sec
UFO [3k\]: is 9p the highest rank?
pebarefoot [-\]: yes
]
;W[go]C[YellowInk [6k\]: except for 10p
shouldBdan [7k\]: judan
Lodestone [4k\]: what about the judan tourney?
xio [5k\]: and 11p
R1D1 [17k\]: why does the better player get playing black?
evanj [2d\]: oh, and 12p
Baldanders [7k\]: but 10p is a title, not a rank
pebarefoot [-\]: that is almost never granted
shouldBdan [7k\]: go seigen said some chinese guy was 13p once
Ailura [8k\]: with komi, the game is even
]
;B[bq]C[UFO [3k\]: oke 12p too
USGO1 [-\]: Black all four corners. Does that mean white wins?
NorthWind [5k\]: only in folklore
Archron [5k\]: where is w points...
UFO [3k\]: lol
quyx [8k\]: folklore is a nice word
bigols [5d\]: only if White is takemiya sensei
pebarefoot [-\]: I seroiusly doubt w will win
kiwi89 [6k\]: i was asking myself the same thing...
YellowInk [6k\]: good question, Archron
kiwi89 [6k\]: white has almost no points
evanj [2d\]: left side and lower center
Archron [5k\]: k4 area
Archron [5k\]: b7 area
]
;W[ro]C[Archron [5k\]: thats it?
evanj [2d\]: and perhaps on the top of his head
Ailura [8k\]: w hasn't cashed in yet
Araragi [17k\]: On the left side. :/
]
;B[qo]
;W[rn]C[USGO1 [-\]: white 4 periods left
]
;B[rp]
;W[lc]
;B[kb]C[sampo00 [5k\]: periods? the red stuff women bleed every month?
Somber [8k\]: this looks ugly for W unless he loves dragons lol
UFO [3k\]: like the 4 seisons
kiwi89 [6k\]: gross
pebarefoot [-\]: takamya is too cool
]
;W[co]
;B[gp]C[pebarefoot [-\]: cosmic eben
]
;W[hp]
;B[mr]C[quyx [8k\]: UFO is no intended pun on USGO, is it?
]
;W[lr]C[xio [5k\]: b+10?
pebarefoot [-\]: *even*
]
;B[pk]C[evanj [2d\]: l18 was pretty big
]
;W[pl]C[USGO1 [-\]: W 3 byo yomi left
Feelss [9k\]: who win?
DJpessoa [4k?\]: b
kiwi89 [6k\]: black
Feelss [9k\]: thx
flocc [11k?\]: looks like w is under time pressure
ogre [2d?\]: maybe w resigns
trueno [6d\]: O6 b?
NorthWind [5k\]: under cash pressure too
xio [5k\]: I hope w doesn't need to go to bathroom :)
A1R [4k\]: xD
]
;B[lk]C[UFO [3k\]: no i am sorry
quyx [8k\]: don't be sorry, thats good
]
;W[fd]C[A1R [4k\]: m18?
quyx [8k\]: would have been lame
CrimsonEye [9k\]: is there a video for this
SpaceCow [2k\]: dont be scared, the ufo is harmless....
]
;B[ed]C[UFO [3k\]: a the spacecow!
quyx [8k\]: there actually is a spacecow
]
;W[fe]C[quyx [8k\]: cool
]
;B[gd]C[UFO [3k\]: I told you
quyx [8k\]: maybe i'm a UFO too...
YellowInk [6k\]: What is this spacecow nonsense?
A1R [4k\]: g9
]
;W[bc]
;B[cc]
;W[ad]
;B[bb]C[adiida [3k\]: that won't work
]
;W[ab]C[DJpessoa [4k?\]: gote
Archron [5k\]: oh my
CrimsonEye [9k\]: the stupidity of humanity at work I give you this chat room.
]
;B[ac]C[Moppel: kewl
A1R [4k\]: g9
]
;W[gq]C[YellowInk [6k\]: ko for a couple points?  There are much bigger moves left, no?
]
;B[fq]
;W[bc]C[tuerda [1d\]: very big ko
rjm [3k\]: it's actually quite large
YellowInk [6k\]: hmm
YellowInk [6k\]: oh, ok, I see now
Goprince [3d\]: too heavy for w
locogeee [1k\]: isn't a 9p supposed to be much stronger than a 7D?
evanj [2d\]: last ditch
Mipaline [6k?\]: w has more threts
CrimsonEye [9k\]: ...
A1R [4k\]: did anyone know this guy before?
CrimsonEye [9k\]: 4 stones stronger 
trueno [6d\]: d14
tuerda [1d\]: should be about 3 stones diff
Dagobert [4d\]: p rankings have nothing to do with playing strength
CrimsonEye [9k\]: maybe 5 
locogeee [1k\]: ...thats a lot
tuerda [1d\]: which is more or less what it looks like here
Goprince [3d\]: lol crimson 4 stones =/
Feanor [1k\]: not 4
Feanor [1k\]: 5*
ogre [2d?\]: kim myungwant is 7d aga
Goprince [3d\]: lool
Feanor [1k\]: more like 3
CrimsonEye [9k\]: ....
Feanor [1k\]: at most
UFO [3k\]: Dagobert was a great king
Goprince [3d\]: probly not 3
kiwi89 [6k\]: more like 5
A1R [4k\]: now b gives w much thinking time
pacovsky [4k\]: or 4
locogeee [1k\]: minus 2 in this case
CrimsonEye [9k\]: 7d=1p 1pvs9p = 4 stone handicap.
pacovsky [4k\]: but probably 2
pacovsky [4k\]: ish
CrimsonEye [9k\]: thats what I was told
pacovsky [4k\]: if not 8
UFO [3k\]: merovingian king
tuerda [1d\]: but 7d amateur can mean an awful lot
kiwi89 [6k\]: 7d is not 1p
pacovsky [4k\]: but definitely ko
pebarefoot [-\]: it is usually recommended that you keep your mouth shut and let people think you're stupid than to open your mouth aqnd prove it
Goprince [3d\]: makes no sense n oway b can give w 4 stones
USGO1 [-\]: Does B have many good threats?
tuerda [1d\]: goes from just barely stronger than 6d to absolutely ridiculously strong
sh [-\]: 9p and 1p is no big difference
antoine123 [7k?\]: c16
ResIpsa [2d\]: 1p vs 9p is probably 2-3 stones handi
CrimsonEye [9k\]: i didnt say he could
Dupaaxe [?\]: ruler by blood :)
ZedekBlue [19k\]: k-12?
tm93 [1d\]: 1p - 9p 2 stone difference
Goprince [3d\]: no ay
Goprince [3d\]: way*
Dagobert [4d\]: crimson: 1p vs 9p are not more than 2 stones, and only in japan
Ailura [8k\]: many kyu in kibitz could learn from that advice, pebarefoot
Moppel: guests are above all ranking systems
A1R [4k\]: in korea...1p female 1 stone handicap to 9p male!
tuerda [1d\]: 1p vs 9p is meaningless, just read as p vs p
CrimsonEye [9k\]: i hear the max handi between pro's was 4 stones...So I just assumed 
NorthWind [5k\]: beginning to see why W didn't resign
UFO [3k\]: I see not many threats for b
flaaz [7k\]: 1. this is no kgs 7d rank ... 2. this is a 2 hours game ... 3. ...
ogre [2d?\]: what does w have that b can threaten to take away
Archron [5k\]: isnt all go pvp
Archron [5k\]: :\]
Dagobert [4d\]: in korea you become 8p just by teaching in europe ..
Lodestone [4k\]: great ko for white though
Goprince [3d\]: =/
ZedekBlue [19k\]: k12, anybody?
Feanor [1k\]: yea, archon, no pve coop mode...
DJpessoa [4k?\]: but black has he not captured white group in upper right corner ?
gobbi: there is pve... just play the bots out there
kostuek [-\]: n15?
xio [5k\]: so guys, you may be 8p in Korea and not even know it!
Archron [5k\]: what is pve?
Feanor [1k\]: that's p v sucky p
GoOoG [5k\]: C16  is bad for black ?
Araragi [17k\]: player versus environment.
Araragi [17k\]: its an MMO term
Dagobert [4d\]: c16 lacks fighting spirit + is bad
Archron [5k\]: oh i see
USGO1 [-\]: I just want you to know that, whatever happens, we are all winners here. Now tell what black is going to do next!
yohio [8k\]:  +
locogeee [1k\]: is this ko that good for w?
Feanor [1k\]: play a ko threat
ZedekBlue [19k\]: k12? Anybody?
scottw1919 [7k\]: b connect
Goprince [3d\]: k12 n ogood
ResIpsa [2d\]: is s11 a threat?
pebarefoot [-\]: absolutely correct, usgo
tuerda [1d\]: still harping on w fuseki dagobert?
Unefoix [1d\]: play a small ko threath
ickypoo [2k\]: poby need magical Go dust
xio [5k\]: k12 really fun
scottw1919 [7k\]: c 18
CrimsonEye [9k\]: it requires more forthought than just play all the ko threats I can. 
locogeee [1k\]: s9?
antoine123 [7k?\]: k12
quyx [8k\]: o6 ?
covtxrider [15k\]: a11
dfdsfg: time?
DJpessoa [4k?\]: so finally the 9p will resign !!! :)
UFO [3k\]: I cant find
NoBenjamin [5k\]: im hungary but every time i go to get food i miss moves... i dont want to miss b's responce... :(
locogeee [1k\]: or s11
Araragi [17k\]: k-12 doesn't work
ZedekBlue [19k\]: How so?
Archron [5k\]: benjamin
Archron [5k\]: you can clone the game
Archron [5k\]: and go back moves
Archron [5k\]: to see
tm93 [1d\]: hungary = great country i think'[
Araragi [17k\]: white plays k-13. blacks response?
NorthWind [5k\]: Benjie, don't starve !!
DJpessoa [4k?\]: and why not simply c18  ? Black leads
pacovsky [4k\]: or clone yourself and tell him to make you a sandwich
ZedekBlue [19k\]: K11!
Moppel: 9p should study more endgame tesuji
Araragi [17k\]: white connects at J-13
NoBenjamin [5k\]: ok ima make a break for it
bigols [5d\]: o6  W next?
ogre [2d?\]: s9 maybe?
JackDaniel [10k\]: u are hungary?
pebarefoot [-\]: there have been some outstanding games played this year. We all thank you, USGO for your efforts
Lodestone [4k\]: was e16 a mistake? 
bigols [5d\]: B
Optician [1k\]: Hungarian, maybe ?
Unefoix [1d\]: k1 is not a threath
gobbi: hungary? Isnt that a european nation?
tuerda [1d\]: pretty badass to be a country
Makeshift [1k\]: k2 ?
ickypoo [2k\]: I mean, r u "hung"
xio [5k\]: actually it is a country :)
dounde [1d\]:  seems g8 works for w no?
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Point taken...
]
;B[cd]C[Archron [5k\]: ahh
Dagobert [4d\]: lol
NorthWind [5k\]: ohh
DJpessoa [4k?\]: b19 ?
JackDaniel [10k\]: actually is the oldest nation in Europe
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Oh!
ogre [2d?\]: b lacks fighting spirit
flocc [11k?\]: I like O6 here
Archron [5k\]: no fighting spirit!
carlcarl: lol
NorthWind [5k\]: *gasp*
flocc [11k?\]: oh
Unefoix [1d\]: k12 not a threath, k12 and p14 area miai for connection
]
;W[ae]C[Lavonas [1k\]: imo it's the best move 
adiida [3k\]: no it's not the oldest
]
;B[ac]C[T10 [?\]: link 2 video?
ZedekBlue [19k\]: a13...
JackDaniel [10k\]: check it
NoBenjamin [5k\]: back... damn
clydesdale [3k\]: s16
Archron [5k\]: b connected
adiida [3k\]: greece is way older
Archron [5k\]: w connected
gobbi: the hungarian is back
]
;W[fr]
;B[er]C[scottw1919 [7k\]: b ko isunfavorable
Archron [5k\]: and then this
]
;W[bc]C[sh [-\]: e2 as ko threat?
sh [-\]: lol
Dupaaxe [?\]: hungarien come to Europe 1000 ears ago
adiida [3k\]: yeah
xio [5k\]: from where?
Feanor [1k\]: relatively young nation then
adiida [3k\]: france was already in place when they came 
Feanor [1k\]: for Europe
wuwei [4k\]: starvland
Exception [2k\]: Ural
Dupaaxe [?\]: From asia becose of great wall of China :)
ogre [2d?\]: hows s9 for a threat
trueno [6d\]: why win? black?
locogeee [1k\]: what about s11?
USGO1 [-\]: Francis chewing his thumbnails again. Both right and left.
JackDaniel [10k\]: :)
xio [5k\]: isn't Ural on the border of Europe?
]
;B[ai]C[Moppel: high stakes go after dark
covtxrider [15k\]: a11!
ZedekBlue [19k\]: a-11!! Yes! I just barely thought of that move!
covtxrider [15k\]: go kyus
kiwi89 [6k\]: lol
Lavonas [1k\]: omg nicce
ZedekBlue [19k\]: I was just about to post that!
scottw1919 [7k\]: a11
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Yes!
sh [-\]: local ko threat. nice
USGO1 [-\]: W 2 byo yomi left
MrAwesome [1k\]: ko ender?
Somber [8k\]: Q2 a valid threat?
sampo00 [5k\]: how long is byo yomi
Unefoix [1d\]: make the ko really bigger
Feanor [1k\]: how is black's time, USGO?
tuerda [1d\]: local ko threat and increases risk for w
kiwi89 [6k\]: ko is over
]
;W[ag]
;B[ac]C[kostuek [-\]: sai is with you zedek :)
adiida [3k\]: yeah, ko should end here ... gote for black though
Archron [5k\]: w should not fight
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Lol! that'd be awesome...
Dupaaxe [?\]: c18
USGO1 [-\]: Francis didn't get the stone down in time, on his last byo-yomi period now.
sh [-\]: q2?
Mipaline [6k?\]: s16
Archron [5k\]: lol fail
Dupaaxe [?\]: so ko not over
]
;W[pq]
;B[pr]
;W[bc]C[A1R [4k\]: he will lose on time
]
;B[nn]C[DJpessoa [4k?\]: d14 fun for b
purp [6k\]: usgo:  time please?
scottw1919 [7k\]: how close is the game
]
;W[mo]
;B[ac]C[YellowInk [6k\]: w last byo yomi, b plenty of time
xio [5k\]: b is sitting on w's knees
Mocramis [5k\]: R16 ?
kiwi89 [6k\]: it doesn't look really close
purp [6k\]: thx
adiida [3k\]: c13 no doubt
quyx [8k\]: k9 ?
]
;W[rr]C[USGO1 [-\]: W clock hit 29sec~
sh [-\]: ignore?
Mipaline [6k?\]: s16
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Take the stones, black!
Araragi [17k\]: Why didn't b take at C-13?
locogeee [1k\]: now s9 for b and he is the boss
Ailura [8k\]: zedek, if black takes those stones, his corner is gone
tuerda [1d\]: is it ailura?
Mocramis [5k\]: but is white alive if black takes stones ?
kiwi89 [6k\]: black will probably take 
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Truuue...
locogeee [1k\]: i bet he wont
tuerda [1d\]: I do not see w clean kill here
CrimsonEye [9k\]: no video to this?
DJpessoa [4k?\]: i bet he wont pass
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Taking that stone if ignored could split those two groups...
Lavonas [1k\]: take w must b13 
purp [6k\]: r2
firewolf07 [3k\]: white has nerves of steel
tm93 [1d\]: tuerda
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Wait, that sentence made no sense...
Somber [8k\]: lol
gobbi: i would take C13
NorthWind [5k\]: only if it works
scottw1919 [7k\]: black needs all corners
ZedekBlue [19k\]: I so messed that up.
Somber [8k\]: B is torn
Moppel: nerves of steel sounds useless
tm93 [1d\]: after e 2
tm93 [1d\]: r 2*
firewolf07 [3k\]: ehh
Somber [8k\]: hes readin this stuff out
firewolf07 [3k\]: maby
Somber [8k\]: and feeling pressure
tm93 [1d\]: he hes to kill white stones so he will be left with one eye...
YellowInk [6k\]: lower right is worth more, I don't see any way for b to live lower right if ignore here
USGO1 [-\]: Francis has moved on to all the other fingernails to chew.
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan still has 32min of main time.
Ailura [8k\]: you are right, not gone, but in trouble
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Where else would black be able to threaten white if he defends the corner?
kiwi89 [6k\]: lower right doesn't die 
kiwi89 [6k\]: so black can kill with c13
]
;B[qr]
;W[bc]C[CrimsonEye [9k\]: rofl
DJpessoa [4k?\]: d14 
CrimsonEye [9k\]: usgo1 is funny
locogeee [1k\]: s9
Moppel: other nails ? from w ?
Lodestone [4k\]: t4 is another threat for w
trueno [6d\]: ya des joeur Haut dan francais N
]
;B[mn]C[Mocramis [5k\]: is S16 big enouth ?
ZedekBlue [19k\]: d14 would force a reaction!
NoBenjamin [5k\]: ignorte
Mocramis [5k\]: R16 *
Dupaaxe [?\]: hm :)
ZedekBlue [19k\]: er... if b had gone there...
ResIpsa [2d\]: s8 in danger now
]
;W[ac]C[tuerda [1d\]: !!
Optician [1k\]: cool
Dupaaxe [?\]: Someting nice :)
USGO1 [-\]: Played at the 29sec mark!
]
;B[lo]C[tuerda [1d\]: the time has come
firewolf07 [3k\]: some of white's groups don't look to be connected, at least to me
kiwi89 [6k\]: looks like black will win the ko
YellowInk [6k\]: now b eats s8
locogeee [1k\]: w lost
pebarefoot [-\]: nerves of stell mean nothing if he weilds a wet noodle vs b's katana
]
;W[lp]C[pebarefoot [-\]: *steel*
Golifant [7k\]: ?
]
;B[oo]C[Unefoix [1d\]: c18b bigger
firewolf07 [3k\]: never heard of that saying before
ZedekBlue [19k\]: m6?
Unefoix [1d\]: ?
ogre [2d?\]: s8 die
Mipaline [6k?\]: w still s10
madkyu [5k\]: s10
]
;W[rj]C[Araragi [17k\]: yep
USGO1 [-\]: again at 29secd
]
;B[op]
;W[mp]C[Golifant [7k\]: i never seen go players throwing noodles at each other
]
;B[ln]C[kiwi89 [6k\]: even sente
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Yes!
tuerda [1d\]: never seen go players chopping each other up with swords either
Mipaline [6k?\]: b group d 16 safe?
pebarefoot [-\]: if they stick, they're done, lol
]
;W[ko]
;B[rk]C[Kalmah [-\]: Hi MXHero
Q161 [?\]: golifant thats coz youve never played go at my house
ZedekBlue [19k\]: L5?
Feanor [1k\]: kalmah? the band?
ZedekBlue [19k\]: er... L4?
ResIpsa [2d\]: w going to have a tough time finding 2 eyes
]
;W[sk]
;B[ri]
;W[si]C[zak86rog [8k\]: yeah this looks dead
]
;B[ba]C[Golifant [7k\]: w still didnt find a place to resign
ZedekBlue [19k\]: Oh, dang. This is going too fast for me to keep up...
]
;W[sp]C[Golifant [7k\]: dont worry is fast even for the dans
tuerda [1d\]: *yawn* what a slow game
blurry [5k\]: where is w territory?
antoine123 [7k?\]: b 018 m18
Totti10 [4k\]: w not enough points
Koukkaaja [3d\]: dans only blixt in kgs, now this starts to be craspable
ZedekBlue [19k\]: I don't really watch pro games too much, do they always have sparatic fast points in the game?
Golifant [7k\]: W has a land in Hawaii
]
;B[lb]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: go is all about location
madkyu [5k\]: is vienna a good location?
]
;W[mb]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: yes
sampo00 [5k\]: nope
]
;B[qj]C[kiwi89 [6k\]: hmm around +15-20 for black?
Polkolord [2k\]: depends for what
Bazilikan [2k\]: the vienna part of the go board is worht more the saudi arabia part
madkyu [5k\]: cool
tuerda [1d\]: transylvania seems like a good location for go
Polkolord [2k\]: for hookers might be
USGO1 [-\]: White has resigned.
covtxrider [15k\]: se sez w up big
blurry [5k\]: gg
Feanor [1k\]: tuerda, transylvania was nice
Golifant [7k\]: good game
Higanbana [?\]: gg
]
;W[]C[USGO1 [-\]: B+Resign
HelloQtion [-\]: ok, thanks USGO
Feanor [1k\]: I went to play there
au2 [2d?\]: thanks USGO1
Feanor [1k\]: once
])
